2011-2012 B1G Team Evaluations

eyekwah

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Looking ahead to the upcoming season how would you cluster teams? Here is my evaluation:

  1. Much stronger (no order)
    1. Indiana
    2. Iowa
    3. Michigan
  2. Not as strong as last season
    1. Purdue
    2. Northwestern
    3. Penn State
    4. Wisconsin
    5. Ohio State
  3. About the same strength
    1. Michigan State
    2. Illinois
    3. Minnesota
    4. Nebraska
The conference should be wide open to my way of thinking. I do not see any great teams. Ohio State lost a lot of seniors. Right now I would have to make Michigan my favorite.
 
I don't think Iowa is much stronger. Maybe about the same. Lost a lot in the secondary and 3 year starting QB. Lots of improvements, but a lot of unknowns still.

I'd also put NW at the same level, I don't think they lost a ton, and they get Persa back. I expect PSU to be better actually. They will have much more experience at QB which killed them last year. I think MSU is weaker, lost a lot of experience in the LB corp.

Nebraska is probably better. But they played well last year so same strength is a good assessment. I think Minny will be better by default but I like where you have them. Wisky is still going to be good, as is OSU. Agree I think Michigan will have a good year, especially with their new D.
 
I don't think Iowa is much stronger. Maybe about the same. Lost a lot in the secondary and 3 year starting QB. Lots of improvements, but a lot of unknowns still.

I'd also put NW at the same level, I don't think they lost a ton, and they get Persa back. I expect PSU to be better actually. They will have much more experience at QB which killed them last year. I think MSU is weaker, lost a lot of experience in the LB corp.

Nebraska is probably better. But they played well last year so same strength is a good assessment. I think Minny will be better by default but I like where you have them. Wisky is still going to be good, as is OSU. Agree I think Michigan will have a good year, especially with their new D.

Uh...his post was regarding basketball conference. Although, I agree with your football thoughts.
 
For Ohio State, my biggest concern would be depth. They didn't go deep into the bench this year, and those guys are going to have to start now. But, with Sullinger, Kraft, and Buford, they still have a VERY strong core of players. Plus Matta is a very good recruiter, and a great coach. He's going to find a way.

But, if Morris comes back, Michigan might be the team to beat.

I'll consider it a great success if we can finish 6th or 7th this year, and I think that's actually doable.
 
OSU might not be as strong (tough when you're the Top #1 seed in the NCAA Tourney)... but they will still be very tough. Great recruiting again. Others stepping in.
 
I fully expect the Hawks to challenge the middle of the pack. The big thing will be who they get the wins against. Not necessarily needing the big signature upset type wins(purdue), but some consistency against the middle will be vital.
 
Looking ahead to the upcoming season how would you cluster teams? Here is my evaluation:

  1. Much stronger (no order)
    1. Indiana
    2. Iowa
    3. Michigan
  2. Not as strong as last season
    1. Purdue
    2. Northwestern
    3. Penn State
    4. Wisconsin
    5. Ohio State
  3. About the same strength
    1. Michigan State
    2. Illinois
    3. Minnesota
    4. Nebraska
The conference should be wide open to my way of thinking. I do not see any great teams. Ohio State lost a lot of seniors. Right now I would have to make Michigan my favorite.

I have no idea how someone could have Iowa in the much stronger category with tOSU in the not as strong category. They return one of the best players in the country along with the 2nd most talented player on their team in Buford.

The Big Ten will be down next season, especially with Morris from Michigan keeping his name in the draft. Unless their freshman point guard can get into the lane Michigan will likely struggle to get back into the tournament.

I think Illinois can make a jump now that the senior class head cases are gone along with a very talented recruiting class coming in.

My way to early prediction for next season looks like this:

1.) Ohio State

Huge Gap


2.) Wisconsin
3.) Michigan State
4.) Illinois
5.) Minnesota (assume Sampson III is back)
6.) Purdue
7.) Michigan
8.) Iowa
9.) Indiana
10.) Nebraska
11.) Northwestern
12.) Penn State

After looking at it more, the Big Ten will be WAY down in a year where college basketball will be WAY up due to the likely NBA lockout. It is Ohio State and then no one in particular. 2-10 is basically a complete toss up right now.
 
The BIG will be OSU and everyone else. Lighty/Deibler are big losses for them, but all that means is that it will be the Sullinger and Buford show.
There was awkwardness with Lauderdale starting, then coming out and hardly playing when Craft came in the game, it ultimately hurt them.
OSU has more than enough depth...insert DeShaun Thomas and Aaron Craft into their starting lineup and their bench is still one of the deepest. If none of the No. 8 ranked recruiting class don't start, OSU's bench is loaded.
If Thad Matta puts trust into his bench it will be a long season for the rest of the basketball world.
 
I have no idea how someone could have Iowa in the much stronger category with tOSU in the not as strong category. They return one of the best players in the country along with the 2nd most talented player on their team in Buford.

The Big Ten will be down next season, especially with Morris from Michigan keeping his name in the draft. Unless their freshman point guard can get into the lane Michigan will likely struggle to get back into the tournament.

I think Illinois can make a jump now that the senior class head cases are gone along with a very talented recruiting class coming in.

My way to early prediction for next season looks like this:

1.) Ohio State

Huge Gap


2.) Wisconsin
3.) Michigan State
4.) Illinois
5.) Minnesota (assume Sampson III is back)
6.) Purdue
7.) Michigan
8.) Iowa
9.) Indiana
10.) Nebraska
11.) Northwestern
12.) Penn State

After looking at it more, the Big Ten will be WAY down in a year where college basketball will be WAY up due to the likely NBA lockout. It is Ohio State and then no one in particular. 2-10 is basically a complete toss up right now.

I think Iowa being in th much stronger group and OSU in the not as strong group in comparison to last year's teams should be fairly accurate. It doesn't mean that Iowa is going to finish ahead of OSU. If Iowa isn't much stronger than last year, then something is wrong. OSU lost alot of talent, even though they have Sullinger coming back! I still expect them to contend for the league title.
 
I agree that OSU is the prohibitive favorite,but probably not the #1 overall seed in the NCAA tourny again...losing Lighty,Diebler and Lauderdale will weaken them a bit,altho they have a very good class coming in. Still,nothing beats having 4 year starters like these guys were.

With Morris going away...Michigan remains a top 4 team,but will not challenge OSU.

The league will be weaker. Losing Nankavil,Leuer and jarmuz will hurt Wisky.
Purdue had Hummel coming back,along with LewJack,but Moore and Johnson were all-americans...gotta hurt them.
PSU losing Battle,and 3 other starters will hurt-big time.
Illinois loses their 4 best players in McCamey,Tisdale,Davis and Richmond...yes,they have some nice newbies,but they will drop off with those losses.
MSU loses Lucas,Summers and Garrick....I think they drop off also.
Minny loses Nolen,Hoffarber,and Iverson....they lost 9 of last 10 without Nolen...more of the same coming this year.
NW loses their 4 year pg floor general in Juice Thompson...not easy to replace,but return everyone else,and have an allstate pg coming in ...about the same.
IU returns everyone,and gets zeller and maybe creek stays healthy...should be better.
Nebraska returns most of their guys...but will have a new league licking their chops..drop off a bit.
Iowa loses Cole,but returns everyone else and has a solid class coming in...better.

So in summary,the only teams that will improve next year in the league?
IU and Iowa.

The same: Nebraska and NW

Not as good: the rest.

I think after OSU....there will be a mob of about 10 teams that will be similar.
Then PSU.
 
I think Iowa being in th much stronger group and OSU in the not as strong group in comparison to last year's teams should be fairly accurate. It doesn't mean that Iowa is going to finish ahead of OSU. If Iowa isn't much stronger than last year, then something is wrong. OSU lost alot of talent, even though they have Sullinger coming back! I still expect them to contend for the league title.

I still completely disagree with this. Matta is going to have to trust his bench some this year which, like sportstalent said, will ultimately help them in the long run. They had McDonald's All Americans playing Brommer type minutes last year. I have no idea why Matta has been so conservative with his bench the last couple of years, but this season should be much different.

The one certainty seems to be that Penn State and Northwestern will take back their spot at the bottom of the conference. Juice Thompson was the most important player in NW basketball history.
 
Ill go balls to the wall. Iowa will finish 4th in the B1G next year. Forcing young teams to speed up will help us be above .500 in the conference.
 
I agree that OSU is the prohibitive favorite,but probably not the #1 overall seed in the NCAA tourny again...losing Lighty,Diebler and Lauderdale will weaken them a bit,altho they have a very good class coming in. Still,nothing beats having 4 year starters like these guys were.

With Morris going away...Michigan remains a top 4 team,but will not challenge OSU.

I would agree with the assessment of OSU if they didn't return the two best players in the BIG. Jordan Taylor is good, we will see how good he is without Leuer and others. Buford is the most underrated player, no matter what All-Conference team he is on. Look for him to have an E'tuwan Moore type year, but better. Sullinger has lost a lot of weight from his Jr year in high school. I compare him to Kevin Love, it took Love to year two to know his body after he lost all of his weight, look at him today. Anticipate a more explosive and overall better conditioned Sullinger, that is a scary thought.
Michigan is still probably the second best team in the BIG, unless losing Morris has that big of an effect, with the recruits they have coming in and the experience the return, the non-conference will be up and down for them as they figure out how to replace Morris, but they will be okay. The BIG just isn't going to be as deep.

No team returns the talent and adds the recruits as OSU does this year, they have a chance to be special and yes, better than last year. The No.1 overall seed means nothing to me, they should be a No.1 seed again.

On the Iowa front. I want to believe, like Mulder, that it will be a much better year and with the BIG down that somewhere like 5th is realistic. The problem is, there is still a mentality that has to be changed. Right now the program and its players know losing. The good, there are four players that don't know about Iowa and losing and the four that were brought in last year are already the focal point of the team. The other good is that the players that didn't leave, only one has more than one year of eligibility left. The mentality of Iowa basketball has been changed in one year with Fran and it doesn't look like that will change. Fran is brining in players that are unhearalded, or underrecruited, like Cartwright and Basabe. White/Olaseni fit the mold, White has proven he can play against real competition and Olaseni is having the same things said about him as people did about Basabe.

Iowa will only go as far as Basabe's development. We know what we are going to get from Cartwright every night, we know what we are going to get from Gatens. Basabe has to stay out of foul trouble and be the double double man night in and night out. The incoming freshman give Iowa a lot of options, with shooting, athleticism and shot blocking. Hubbard is going to have a big role weather as a starter or first guy of the bench, but he is unproven at this moment as well. Basabe has to be the focal point, he has to get a steady jumper, better ball handling and the ability to recognize the double team right away. Basabe was the third best freshman in the BIG at the end of the season, but there are a lot of sophomores that are going to have breakout seasons, for Iowa to truly move forward, Basabe has to be the third best sophomore. Maybe this is a lot to put on Basabe, but he has the talent and seemingly, the work ethic, so it shouldn't be all that much.
 
I just think that UNC will probably be the #1 team,with everyone back,and a top 3 class coming into an elite 8 team. They are going to be incredibly loaded up with at least 6-7 top 25 players.
 
I just think that UNC will probably be the #1 team,with everyone back,and a top 3 class coming into an elite 8 team. They are going to be incredibly loaded up with at least 6-7 top 25 players.

Can't dispute UNC, they will have the best frontcourt in America with Barnes-Henson-Zeller. OSU has to figure out who will play with Sullinger-Thomas. Marshall back at PG is huge for UNC, but I would still give the edge to Craft in that matchup, both are excellent. Buford is better than any SG that UNC has, but he may play the 3 and as good as he is, he doesn't matchup great with the elite SF's around America, he is hands down an elite SG.
UNC has some big guys coming in and with that, won't be in panic mode when or if Zeller/Henson get in any kind of foul trouble. James McAdoo will be a kid that could be the best frontcourt player for UNC at the end of the season.
The one area that both UNC/OSU have to improve on, especially UNC is having solid 3-pt shooting. UNC struggled in a big way and if they don't improve, they won't go where they want. OSU has to replace Deibler, but Seibert/Thomas/Buford/Scott should be able to do that. In the end, if Sullinger is in the shape he should be after another offseason of work, it won't matter, he can just be that good.
 
Can't dispute UNC, they will have the best frontcourt in America with Barnes-Henson-Zeller. OSU has to figure out who will play with Sullinger-Thomas. Marshall back at PG is huge for UNC, but I would still give the edge to Craft in that matchup, both are excellent. Buford is better than any SG that UNC has, but he may play the 3 and as good as he is, he doesn't matchup great with the elite SF's around America, he is hands down an elite SG.
UNC has some big guys coming in and with that, won't be in panic mode when or if Zeller/Henson get in any kind of foul trouble. James McAdoo will be a kid that could be the best frontcourt player for UNC at the end of the season.
The one area that both UNC/OSU have to improve on, especially UNC is having solid 3-pt shooting. UNC struggled in a big way and if they don't improve, they won't go where they want. OSU has to replace Deibler, but Seibert/Thomas/Buford/Scott should be able to do that. In the end, if Sullinger is in the shape he should be after another offseason of work, it won't matter, he can just be that good.

UNC signed one of the better three point shooters in the nation in Hairston so they are definitely stacked.

The Kentucky vs. UNC game next year will likely have 10 or so NBA players in one game which may double the amount of NBA players in the entire Big Ten next season. Right now Kentucky and UNC have to be 1/2 with a pretty large gap between the rest of the field. College basketball should be much improved next season after the crapfest that was this season.

As for Michigan being the #2 team in the conference. Morris was their offense last year, so unless Burke can come in and be a stud they will struggle quite a bit. They had one slasher last year in Morris so they will need someone to create 3 point opportunities next year or it will be a struggle.
 

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