’18 Football Recruiting Big Board 1.0

RobHowe said:
Exactly. If you understand Iowa's policy, there is no hypocrisy in it. The staff needs to contact committed recruits just like other programs contact its committed recruits. It's a game everyone must play. There is no gentlemen's agreement like there used to be in the B1G.

If the Hawkeyes contact a kid committed to Rutgers or Minnesota and he says he's not interested, they move on. If he is interested, they engage and try to get him on campus. If he visits Iowa, then it's up to Rutgers and Minnesota how they want to handle it. They can continue to recruit the kid or pull his offer.

If another school contacts an Iowa commitment and he decides to visit that program, it's then on Iowa to decide what it wants to do. Its policy is to pull the offer.

Now, you can say that the policy is out-dated and Iowa needs to be more flexible with the current high school player. But it's not hypocrisy.
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I disagree with that if they don't want their kids taking other visits they shouldn't be trying to poach kids committed to other schools...it is what it is...
 
Hawk4Fan said:
I disagree with that if they don't want their kids taking other visits they shouldn't be trying to poach kids committed to other schools...it is what it is...
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The Hawkeyes would get killed in recruiting with that approach. Iowa can't stop other schools from recruiting its players. Therefore, Iowa needs to reach out to kids committed to other schools. That's the landscape.
 
RobHowe said:
The Hawkeyes would get killed in recruiting with that approach. Iowa can't stop other schools from recruiting its players. Therefore, Iowa needs to reach out to kids committed to other schools. That's the landscape.
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Then don't go pulling Ships if they do visit another school, have faith you did your job in having them in the fold even if they do visit somewhere else.
 
PCHawk said:
In this age of committing to a school just to secure a spot while you shop around for something better, the policy actually makes more sense to have than it used to. The problem with it is you won't get many early commits and you will end up scrambling to fill the class right before signing day.

It seems like the point of he policy is to know exactly where you stand with recruits, but it will probably have the exact opposite effect. At least when they're committed you have a pretty good idea where they stand. If they are afraid to even commit, the staff will have even less of an idea where they stand. I would think it would be easier to lock up as many kids as you can early, have less open spots to concentrate on, and worry about a couple decomits when they happen, then to have hardly any early commits and have a lot bigger net cast out there to deal with.
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Nice point of view. I believe your words ring with logic and merit. I personally would play to Iowa's rep. We are great talent evaluators. We could start offering high school sophomores. The kids who will be top 20 recruits are sometimes astonishingly easy to identify. Offer them early, tell them committing to Iowa early will guarantee your spot and you will still get looks from every other national powerhouse. If your not feeling Iowa later just be straight up with us so we can fill your spot. Then show them constant love. Law of averages suggests if you can convince 5 to 10 hot shot sophomores a year to jump on board you should retain at least 1 or 2. I would lose my mind if Iowa could haul in 1 or 2 5* kids a year. Either way I don't see how it changes much of what we do now. It would just be extra time. We're getting a 10th coach. Hire another recruiting specialist. I think we can still develop and coach the players with the 9 we have been doing it with for X amount of years.
 
Hawk4Fan said:
Then don't go pulling Ships if they do visit another school, have faith you did your job in having them in the fold even if they do visit somewhere else.
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Iowa doesn't pull a ship if a kid visits another school. Drew Ott, Noah Fant, Higdon, Holmes, Eno, they all visited other schools and didn't get the ship pulled. Heck Eno said that KF told him to take more visits, just communicate with him if he was. Holmes visited OU and didn't get his ship pulled. Ott, Fant both took visits and signed with Iowa. Higdon took a visit to Michigan and didn't have his ship pulled, he signed with them though.

Also you don't even consider the flip side to all of this. If you stress to the kids that they need to be sure before they commit, you can save yourself a lot of headaches come Jan. Take Iowa for instance, they had the OC retire and they dumped 2 coaches. Didn't lose a kid who was committed. None of them wavered, none of them went looking to take visits. Mansell had Tennessee knocking on his door, and he said "no thanks". Brandon Smith had several SEC schools and a B1G west school knocking on his door, and he said "no thanks". Kelly Martin had offers from Arizona, Ill, and Wisconsin, if he wanted to look around he would have had a lot of suitors. Instead Iowa didn't have a problem with any of the kids who's position coach left.

Not only that but look at last year. Lattimore had MSU all over him to visit in Jan, and he said "no thanks". Stanley had Wisconsin all over him to visit in Jan, and he said "no thanks".

The whole Iowa is a hypocrite thing is just silly. They ask their players not to take visits, but sometimes they do. Iowa doesn't have a set policy that any kid who visit gets his ship taken away, KF said it was case by case, and each situation is different.
 
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RobHowe said:
That's great in theory not in reality.
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When looking at the policy it makes sense. You are dealing with HS kids, and you really have to set expectations with kids, especially when you are dealing with so many different types of people from so many different types of backgrounds. You just be up front and let them know this isn't a place where we let you take a "place setting" while you shop for other offers/options. If you say you are coming, Iowa will hold your spot (even if you get injured) and we stop recruiting other kids for your spot, so they just ask that you are sure you want to come to Iowa is all. Plus this helps when other schools do come calling. Take what Bell said to Brandon Smith. He told him flat out that other schools are gonna come after you now, and they did. So Brandon wasn't surprised or in awe, he was solid with Iowa and told the other schools as much as well.

Part of the strategy is to help Iowa hold onto a kid when other schools come calling as well. I mean that is the point of recruiting right, to hold onto the kids you want. WTF then would Iowa WANT or even easily let a committed kid visit another school? I don't get why fans got their panties in such a bunch about this, it is a dog eat dog world in recruiting, and if you want to keep your kids, you do everything you can. It makes NO SENSE at all for fans to want their verbal commits to visit somewhere else.......
 
deanvogs said:
When looking at the policy it makes sense. You are dealing with HS kids, and you really have to set expectations with kids, especially when you are dealing with so many different types of people from so many different types of backgrounds. You just be up front and let them know this isn't a place where we let you take a "place setting" while you shop for other offers/options. If you say you are coming, Iowa will hold your spot (even if you get injured) and we stop recruiting other kids for your spot, so they just ask that you are sure you want to come to Iowa is all. Plus this helps when other schools do come calling. Take what Bell said to Brandon Smith. He told him flat out that other schools are gonna come after you now, and they did. So Brandon wasn't surprised or in awe, he was solid with Iowa and told the other schools as much as well.

Part of the strategy is to help Iowa hold onto a kid when other schools come calling as well. I mean that is the point of recruiting right, to hold onto the kids you want. WTF then would Iowa WANT or even easily let a committed kid visit another school? I don't get why fans got their panties in such a bunch about this, it is a dog eat dog world in recruiting, and if you want to keep your kids, you do everything you can. It makes NO SENSE at all for fans to want their verbal commits to visit somewhere else.......
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That's the thing. No matter what you do, you are going to lose some commits. No point in pretending the other way works 100% of the time.
 
Hawk4Fan said:
I disagree with that if they don't want their kids taking other visits they shouldn't be trying to poach kids committed to other schools...it is what it is...
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There is absolutely no hypocrisy at all, unless the school that we are poaching from has the same no visit policy.
 
OMG WHO GIVES A S*** ABOUT A FREAKING VISIT POLICY. Move this outdated, stupid a** eno debate to those other ridiculous threads. This thread is about what players we have a chance at not a p*ssing match about who can walk on who's campus when.
 
Recent Tom Lemming view on where the best prospects reside around BIG country for the upcoming 2018 class (courtesy of Sirius XM Radio)............

* Down year for IA, MN, and WI. Best players in IA out of a small class will be on the defensive side. One of the worst years for OL in WI which usually has many.

* Better than average year in IL, MI, and IN. Likes the OL prospects in IL and DL prospects in MI mentioning Detroit area in particular.

* Very good classes in OH and PA. Several noted QB's in OH as well as skill positions in both.
 
ohhawk said:
Recent Tom Lemming view on where the best prospects reside around BIG country for the upcoming 2018 class (courtesy of Sirius XM Radio)............

* Down year for IA, MN, and WI. Best players in IA out of a small class will be on the defensive side. One of the worst years for OL in WI which usually has many.

* Better than average year in IL, MI, and IN. Likes the OL prospects in IL and DL prospects in MI mentioning Detroit area in particular.

* Very good classes in OH and PA. Several noted QB's in OH as well as skill positions in both.
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Did he mention MO? I know Iowa does a lot of recruiting there despite no B1G team residing in the state. I thought I heard/read there is a lot of talent there this year.
 
Some tech guy/gal should dream up a procedure whereby any time someone on this board attacks Iowa recruiting rules, there is an app that generates the two posts above by Dean. Clear explanations, logical, based on facts; then we would not have to continue to re-debate this issue every couple of weeks. Just sayin'.
 
HuckFinn said:
Some tech guy/gal should dream up a procedure whereby any time someone on this board attacks Iowa recruiting rules, there is an app that generates the two posts above by Dean. Clear explanations, logical, based on facts; then we would not have to continue to re-debate this issue every couple of weeks. Just sayin'.
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We re-debate everything in this country, even when the evidence is clear. Sports, politics, we re-debate because most people can't admit they're wrong.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
We re-debate everything in this country, even when the evidence is clear. Sports, politics, we re-debate because most people can't admit they're wrong.
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I don't even have time to begin to tell you how many times in my life I have been wrong. The list of times that I have admitted to my mistakes would be considerably shorter.
 
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