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Pro's- - less likely to get blitzed, because more likely qb is rolling out - qb can "call his own number" to take advantage of D's alignment Cons- - qb is probably the easiest guy to strip from - true "dual-threat" qb's are often limited as passers

Yep, very true. That's why I said my example could be called regression, rather than would / should be. Honors are often based just on stats, which don't always tell the full story

No idea. How do the other guys enter into it? I'm not even saying Nate 's regressed, but "he's regressed" is not the same as "he's no good" Say a guy goes from 1st team AA one year to 2nd team all-conference the next. That's still pretty good. But, it could also be called regression.

Lose to Bucky and 1 more, so 8-4. Puts us behind Bucky and the Goofs in the West, and OSU, PSU, and Mich in the East. OSU in the CFP, so Hawks go to the 5th place B1G bowl. Bonuses for everybody!!

Hell, you don't need triathlon for that. That's how I feel about KF's Hawkeyes!

Sure, but my point is being a finalist for that and on-field regression are not mutually exclusive.

1) The award only goes to seniors 2) It's a "best character" thing also So it's definitely not saying he's a top 10 qb. “The winner of the Golden Arm Award is recognized not only for his athletic accomplishments, but also for his character, citizenship, scholastic achievement, leadership...

Actually, their series has ended again. It was just a 4 year thing.

I'm assuming this is rhetorical. The KF offense is not exactly appealing to playmakers w/ options.

That's a load of crap and you know it! But don't listen to me, listen to this guy: Disappointing? How can that be? We're 6-2, #19 ! Everything's great! You're not one of those crazies who thinks we should win every game are you? Gotta be in the playoff every year? I thought you were...

So how much credit do you "reasonable fans" think BF should get for his unit putting up 13 & 18 points against ISU the last 2 years? PP's unit giving up only 3 & 17 points was way more important to those wins. As usual under KF, those were wins in spite of the offense, not because of it.

But if it's not the Hawks, I'd much rather it's the Goofs than Bucky.

Yes, it's fair to say Kleiman is better than Ron Prince.

K State this decade: '10 7-6 '11 10-3 #16 '12 11-2 #11 '13 8-5 '14 9-4 #18 '15 6-7 '16 9-4 '17 8-5 '18 5-7 73 wins, 3 top-25 finishes. They didn't exactly need a major rebuild. They were ranked to start the 2017 season. Iowa is 71 w's, 2 top-25 finishes, by comparison.

Probably. But, shouldn't he have heard that lesson multiple times by now?

If it happens this year it will most likely be due to their D. Would you still count that a full feather in BF's cap? No requirement for his unit to pull equal, or close, weight?

Come on, man! That's only 4 out of 10 where "blame the offense" is not an immediate answer. And as for the O in those 4? '17 PSU- 1 first down in the 1st qtr. 7 points (21 yd drive setup by D) thru 3 qtrs. 19 points total. '18 Wis- 17 points total '18 PSU- 6 points total ( defense 11...

Behind their coach who is younger than Klieman and has a better FBS resume. Maybe he'd be a better alternative choice?

Those turnovers would also be the only way Iowa's O could make "under 30" relevant. Without them, I think the question would be more like could the D hold them under 20.

But we've got the big top-25 showdown between SMU & Memphis! Also UGA & UF in an expected "big game".