Minutes at a premium with Iowa men’s basketball



This year should be about getting young guys lots of minutes. Basabe, McCabe and Woodbury are all foul prone and Gessel will have some tough matchups defensively that will put him at risk for early foul trouble. I expect the 10 man rotation to continue, as McCaffrey won't keep guys on the floor if they aren't giving maximum effort. Hate to say this year is about next year, but I think it is.
 


tednugentfan said:
This year should be about getting young guys lots of minutes. Basabe, McCabe and Woodbury are all foul prone and Gessel will have some tough matchups defensively that will put him at risk for early foul trouble. I expect the 10 man rotation to continue, as McCaffrey won't keep guys on the floor if they aren't giving maximum effort. Hate to say this year is about next year, but I think it is.
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I think it's pretty early to say that.

Honestly, I think McCabe might be better off at the 5. He's always had a penchant for getting into foul trouble, but it seems to be 10x worse this year. I think that has a lot to do with guarding quicker players than he was for much of last season. And White is more effective at the 4 right now. He's not shooting well enough from the outside to warrant a starting spot at the 3, IMO. His offensive game was the whole reason for putting him out there in the first place.

I really liked the lineup the other night, and won't be surprised if that's what we see most often this year.
 


Whites shot will come around. As he said earlier in the year, he wants to show parts of his game people didn't see last year. He is shooting the ball well from the FT line, he will shoot better overall when that wrist is completely healed. Can tell he isn't fully comfortable with it.
 


tm3308 said:
I think it's pretty early to say that.

Honestly, I think McCabe might be better off at the 5. He's always had a penchant for getting into foul trouble, but it seems to be 10x worse this year. I think that has a lot to do with guarding quicker players than he was for much of last season. And White is more effective at the 4 right now. He's not shooting well enough from the outside to warrant a starting spot at the 3, IMO. His offensive game was the whole reason for putting him out there in the first place.

I really liked the lineup the other night, and won't be surprised if that's what we see most often this year.
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Didn't he play the 4-spot primarily as a freshman coming off the bench against 2nd units where he posed more of a matchup issue...thoughts?
 


tednugentfan said:
This year should be about getting young guys lots of minutes. Basabe, McCabe and Woodbury are all foul prone and Gessel will have some tough matchups defensively that will put him at risk for early foul trouble. I expect the 10 man rotation to continue, as McCaffrey won't keep guys on the floor if they aren't giving maximum effort. Hate to say this year is about next year, but I think it is.
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Basabe is not foul prone.
 


sportstalent said:
Didn't he play the 4-spot primarily as a freshman coming off the bench against 2nd units where he posed more of a matchup issue...thoughts?
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I can't remember for sure. But I do seem to remember his foul issues weren't as much of a problem last year as they were his freshman year. Again, I'm not sure he matches up athletically with many of the fours he sees. While playing the 5, yes, he gives up size. But he also doesn't foul as often and creates more of a mismatch on offense. Seriously, how many 5's do we see guarding on the perimeter?
 


tm3308 said:
I can't remember for sure. But I do seem to remember his foul issues weren't as much of a problem last year as they were his freshman year. Again, I'm not sure he matches up athletically with many of the fours he sees. While playing the 5, yes, he gives up size. But he also doesn't foul as often and creates more of a mismatch on offense. Seriously, how many 5's do we see guarding on the perimeter?
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If you remember, Iowa had that guy named Jarryd Cole and he played quite a few minutes. McCabe came in for Basabe most of the time...here are some stats for you.
Freshman: 2.2 fpg, 19 mins
Sophomore: 3.4 fpg, 21 mins

He played the 5 spot more last season than the previous year, but the root of his issues really come down to the fact that he just doesn't move his feet well and get in good position a lot of the time. He tries and that is all well and good, but he seems to have gone backward on the defensive end and that is puzzling.
 


Minutes are and will be precious moving into the Big Ten schedule. Fran knows at some point he will need to shorten the rotation. It's very difficult to have a 10 or 11 man rotation unless the personnel is truely that top notch.

Really like May, Gabe and Pat but are they the tree men out?
 


McCabe seems to be the REF's whipping boy. as many times he does have his feet set outside the Circle and yet they still call him for the block as players run him over,
this is the problem once a player gets a reputation, he will very rarely get the call.
the 10-11 man rotation will continue as Fran wants to play uptempo more.
and to do that you need players that are fresh, which you can't do with a 6-8 man rotation
 


redhawk55 said:
McCabe seems to be the REF's whipping boy. as many times he does have his feet set outside the Circle and yet they still call him for the block as players run him over,
this is the problem once a player gets a reputation, he will very rarely get the call.
the 10-11 man rotation will continue as Fran wants to play uptempo more.
and to do that you need players that are fresh, which you can't do with a 6-8 man rotation
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Blocking fouls and charging has changed since the 1970's... Also, how did he get the reputation in the first place?
 


redhawk55 said:
McCabe seems to be the REF's whipping boy. as many times he does have his feet set outside the Circle and yet they still call him for the block as players run him over,
this is the problem once a player gets a reputation, he will very rarely get the call.
the 10-11 man rotation will continue as Fran wants to play uptempo more.
and to do that you need players that are fresh, which you can't do with a 6-8 man rotation
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Why do you make things up Herby?

McCabe can't move his feet and does not jump very well. He picks up two fouls per game just because he is not that athletic. When you attempt to pick up a foul by drawing a charge it's a 50/50 call so there is a good chance you pick up a foul. I don't like flopping so I like it when the defender doesn't get the charge call that much, seems like such a bail out to call a charge. It seems the NCAA is trying to call less charges which is good especially adding the circle like the NBA has had for years. So there is not a bias against McCabe. He is not a great athlete is generally guarding a guy bigger than him or quicker than him. He will pick up fouls more often than not. He is pretty aggressive as well so fouls will find a player like him.

Second myth to debunk is the Fran wants to play fast so he needs 10-11 guys. This is false. Fran has played fast in the past and he said he never used more than an 8 man rotation. He said this in in one of his earlier pressers. Also Missouri was probably the fastest tempo team last year and they only used a 7-8 man rotation so they debunk the myth of needing 11 guys to play fast.

I will just let you make up more stuff as you seem to like to do.

Iowa does not have 11 players good enough to be playing unless foul trouble causes you to need to go deeper.

Mike G
Clemmons
Marble
Basabe
Woodbury
White
Josh O
Ingram (have not seen enough of him but think his basketball skills are better than May already)

Those are the 8 who I would be getting the most minutes. Based on fouls you can play May and McCabe but there are some nights where they might only see like 2-3 min a piece at most.
 


Wasn't unc the highest scoring team last year (or one of the top). And they played at an incredible pace yet they used a 7-8 man rotation. Fran hasn't ever used a large rotation until this yr.

The 10 man rotation was perfected by nolan richardson but most up tempo teams play 8 guys. It is the fact that richardson (and now fran) want to press as much as possible that makes a 10 man rotation inviting. It is defense that can benefit from the 10 man more than offense. The offense benefits if the defense gets turnovers.

Playing fast doesn't mean you need 10, herby...if that were the case then every team mike dantoni coaches better have 10+ guys that can play. But he doesn't coach defense so they don't need 10.
 


This scares me, but I agree with herby. McCabe gets called for at least one foul a game (sometimes two) that are never called on other players. Yes, he does make occasional stupid fouls, but when you see what's being allowed to occur out there and you see some of the fouls McCabe gets called for, you just have to shake your head in wonder.
 


MisterLucky said:
This scares me, but I agree with herby. McCabe gets called for at least one foul a game (sometimes two) that are never called on other players. Yes, he does make occasional stupid fouls, but when you see what's being allowed to occur out there and you see some of the fouls McCabe gets called for, you just have to shake your head in wonder.
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If Herby says it you know it's incorrect. It's called confirmation bias, you think it is true so you see it as being true. Refs warn players quite often before blowing a whistle. So maybe the refs warn McCabe and he just has to do some dirty things since he is not as athletically gifted as others and he gets called for a foul.

I think there is a zero percent chance that refs are out to get McCabe. It is just silly I mean I doubt anyone even knows who he is. I think McCabe grabs a ton, is a step slow, plays a good amount of minutes and is going to be prone to getting in foul trouble. Once again If he is guarding a 4/5 he is shorter, not as strong and doesn't jump as well so it's fouls waiting to happen. If he happens to have to cover a 3, he is not as quick and will pick up reaching fouls. He also likes to try to take a lot of charges which I must repeat are going to be 50/50 calls.

It's just plain wrong to say refs are out to get him. There is a reason he picks up more fouls and it's not hard to realize.
 




oh by the way its nice to see so many experts that know who should play and who should sit,
maybe you can call Fran and advise him of this. so he can run off these players and get new players to fit your likings.
just like with Jok he only has 3*'s so maybe its not to late to yank the LOI and find a 5* you like better
 


redhawk55 said:
oh by the way its nice to see so many experts that know who should play and who should sit,
maybe you can call Fran and advise him of this. so he can run off these players and get new players to fit your likings.
just like with Jok he only has 3*'s so maybe its not to late to yank the LOI and find a 5* you like better
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Do you always whine?
 


Mccabe is your prototypical trash man on the court...he is on the floor a lot, rebounds, can shoot, and gets called for fouls. He does a lot of things good but nothing really great. So his niche is as the trashman that bangs and tries to take charges. Typically players that consistently try to take charges tend to get more fouls called on themselves because they are intentionally putting themselves in a position to create contact. Any time they do this they are rolling the dice that they may get the charge or they may get a block. It is a risk reward situation. This is mccabe's role. No ref is out to get him he sets himself up for the chance. Get called for fouls. The same thing typically follows most shot blockers except the truely adept at keeping their feet on the ground and minimizing contact (like hakeem did).

Refs are out to get guys that act like idiots and/or try to show them up. Mccabe doesn't do that so they just call the fouls. Maybe he gets called tighter than others but he also puts himself in more foul positions than others too...and he does so intentionally to get offensive fouls.
 


^^^ this I agree with, he does for Iowa what Rambis did for the Lakers, and that is the dirty work, and he was not a speed player. nor could he shoot the 3, but he lasted a long time in the NBA AS A 6TH MAN.
and thru 9 games he has 24 total fouls for a avg of 2.6 fouls per game, next in line is Woody at 18 and 2.0 pg.
not exactly foul a minute Worley type play.
all this in 16.6 mpg and Woody is getting 17 mpg
 


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