How many in the rotation?

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Hawkjammer

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How many players will Fran have in the rotation next year given how deep the bench will be and the possible uptick in pace?

I could see that if Fran really pushes the tempo that ten guys could be getting minutes.

Go Hawks!!!!!
 


i would hope for 10...i think possibly 11.

pg (2-3) - gesell and clemmons splitting time and possibly marble for a few minutes each night.

sg (2-3) - ogelsby mainly and probably backed up by ingram. i can see marble get a few minutes here also.

sf (3-4) - primarily marble but after that i am not sure. may could come back and be a solid back up. then white can play the 3 if we go big along with possibly mccabe...but with either of these 2 at the 3 we would struggle on defense.

pf (3-4) - white will get a solid 25+ minutes here but then you have basabe and mccabe and meyer fighting for time.

c (2-4) - woodbury will end up being the guy but likely will be pushed by mccabe. then you have meyer and basabe wanting time and with white at the 4 they could get in at the 5 to spell the big guy.

the only guy i really dont feel will contribute major minutes is olaseni. i would like to see ingram redshirt but we dont have depth on the wings and will need him. at least when uthoff get eligible that will be better as he is a 3.

major minutes (30+) - marble & white

good minutes (18+) - gesell, clemmons, ogelsby, mccabe

solid minutes (10+) - woodbury, basabe, ingram, may

spot & mop up (<10) - meyer and olaseni

this is what i am expecting but obviously it is very open to change. i would love to see meyer play more as i think he will add an extra dimension of outside shooting. i dont expect lots of minutes from woodbury because the 5 spot will be running a lot so i expect 2+ players to have to man it just to stay moving. i wish marble and white wouldnt have to play 30 minutes but i just dont see us winning much if they dont as they are the only proven and consistent threats. everyone else that has proven they can score hasnt done it as consistently as them and they still need to improve on that.

how much do i expect them to run...well i think they will fast break off of made baskets and that is when you know a team can fast break.

i also expect much more 3/4 and full court press as we are getting much quicker and a lot longer and those 2 things are very useful in the full court.
 


I certainly hope you are right and that Fran continues to push the tempo.

If the Fran can get at least one of the recruits to step up like AW did last year and a couple more to give solid minutes, the Hawks could be a handful for a lot of teams next year.

Gesell and Woodbury have already played a lot of ball together so that has to bode well for next season.

I wouldn't be surprised that a healthy Eric May could be a big contributor his senior season. May has shown flashes of playing excellent ball when healthy.
 


I think Fran will push the tempo to Mach Speed, substituting in waves if necessary.....

Once he gets the incoming class up to speed, we will have our own version of 40 Minutes of He!!.....

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jacknicholson said:
I think Fran will push the tempo to Mach Speed, substituting in waves if necessary.....Once he gets the incoming class up to speed, we will have our own version of 40 Minutes of He!!.....:)
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i would love this. i wasnt ever a fan of arkansas but loved the way they played under nolan and that is my hope for fran's version of the hawkeyes.
 


Wow. What a great post! I am really pumped for next season. I think it would be really important to give as many kids as possible a chance to stay in the rotation. Of course, you are right...the up tempo game requires such an approach

Also, as the talent increases on the team, it becomes more of a challenge for the coaches to keep as many kids as possible involved. I have seen and been very impressed with the attitudes of players who don't get a lot of minutes. The Iowa bench is the best set of cheerleaders we have!

BTW, I will be interested to see what happens with Gabe. I know Fran sometimes relies on hyperbole, but he seems very high on this young man.

Thanks for your analysis and comments...that is why I like to frequent this site!:)
 


We would scare the pedestrian B1G. They would have to run their snail mail offense to catch their breaths.
 


Playing Arkansas Mr. Davis's last season in the NCAA tournament was one of the most intense Hawkeye basketball games I have ever seen.....

I formed my intense dislike for Calhoun, the UConn coach who said that he didn't even bother watching video of the Hawks before the game the next week.....

:)
 


jacknicholson said:
I think Fran will push the tempo to Mach Speed, substituting in waves if necessary.....

Once he gets the incoming class up to speed, we will have our own version of 40 Minutes of He!!.....

:)
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This. I don't think Fran has even began to turn up the speed how he wants. Multiple players playing multiple positions on the floor, two and three pg types on the floor at the same time.
 


Hawkjammer said:
How many players will Fran have in the rotation next year given how deep the bench will be and the possible uptick in pace?

I could see that if Fran really pushes the tempo that ten guys could be getting minutes.

Go Hawks!!!!!
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2 players got 25+ minutes this year. Only one got 30+. Next year there is more depth and an expected increase in tempo. I don't expect anyone getting over 30min and only 2 over 25min. Probably 6 other players over 15min and possibly 2 more over 10min. That could make 10 guys getting over 10min semi-regularly. Lots of guys will get less than we've been used to with Lick and Alford. Welcome to the new Hawkeyes!
 


UncleHawk said:
2 players got 25+ minutes this year. Only one got 30+. Next year there is more depth and an expected increase in tempo. I don't expect anyone getting over 30min and only 2 over 25min. Probably 6 other players over 15min and possibly 2 more over 10min. That could make 10 guys getting over 10min semi-regularly. Lots of guys will get less than we've been used to with Lick and Alford. Welcome to the new Hawkeyes!
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Even when a good to great team runs a lot, if they have all-conference caliber players they have at least one or two that get 30+minutes. We wil too, next year, and it will be Marble and White, with Gessel getting roughly 25 minutes per game and maybe approaching 28 to 30.
 
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UncleHawk said:
Hawkjammer said:
How many players will Fran have in the rotation next year given how deep the bench will be and the possible uptick in pace?I could see that if Fran really pushes the tempo that ten guys could be getting minutes.Go Hawks!!!!!
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2 players got 25 minutes this year. Only one got 30 . Next year there is more depth and an expected increase in tempo. I don't expect anyone getting over 30min and only 2 over 25min. Probably 6 other players over 15min and possibly 2 more over 10min. That could make 10 guys getting over 10min semi-regularly. Lots of guys will get less than we've been used to with Lick and Alford. Welcome to the new Hawkeyes!
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marble didnt average over 30 for the season but by the end he was consistently playing 30 min a game and he has an injury prone player as a back up so i expect 30+ easy. white had to build into it and i believe he was getting a solid 27 min by the end of the yr. if a guy like him can play 30 you play him because he is a leader and does the dirty work. if those 2 arent playing 30 min it is 1 of 2 reasons...1) we blew the team out or got blown out or 2) they are injured. so here is to hoping for the first part of #1.
 


This is likely correct...

UncleHawk said:
2 players got 25+ minutes this year. Only one got 30+. Next year there is more depth and an expected increase in tempo. I don't expect anyone getting over 30min and only 2 over 25min. Probably 6 other players over 15min and possibly 2 more over 10min. That could make 10 guys getting over 10min semi-regularly. Lots of guys will get less than we've been used to with Lick and Alford. Welcome to the new Hawkeyes!
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You can't really effectively play a rotation of more than 9 guys, perhaps 10. Who plays in each game will depend upon matchups and who is playing well. There are some opponents where Woodbury won't play much. If we're playing a team with no inside presence and their "bigs" stand out at the 3-point line and shoot 3's (think Northwestern), then I could see him not playing much. Against other teams with good size, a guy like Woodbury likely sees more minutes.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we had only 1 guy get 30 minutes per game.
 


a 10-12 man rotation if you are really running hard is easier than most people realize. this will over simplify things but if you look at the numbers there are 5 spots at 40 min each that makes 200 min of court time. in a 10 man rotation that is 20 min per game average. in an 11 man rotation that is just over 18 min per game average. in a 12 man rotation that is just under 17 min per game average. if you are pressing and running as much as i think fran wants to (complete conjecture) then 17-20 min can be a lot. maybe marble and white can stay under a 30 min average. but i dont think they will as they are the go to guys next yr. if they are under 30 it isnt by much. teams that score like we want to either have to have nba talent (unc) or have to play so fast they need a lot of guys. the key will be rotating them well enough to keep the players happy with their time.

this whole theory becomes even tougher in 2013 when uthoff becomes eligible because it gives us more depth on the wings. not to mention we probably bring in another wing type for 2013 season as a frosh.
 


Re: This is likely correct...

DodgerHawki said:
You can't really effectively play a rotation of more than 9 guys, perhaps 10. Who plays in each game will depend upon matchups and who is playing well. There are some opponents where Woodbury won't play much. If we're playing a team with no inside presence and their "bigs" stand out at the 3-point line and shoot 3's (think Northwestern), then I could see him not playing much. Against other teams with good size, a guy like Woodbury likely sees more minutes.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we had only 1 guy get 30 minutes per game.
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I can certainly agree with this but think we'll value Woody's passing on O as well as presence in the lane on O and D. After thinking it over:
25-30: Marble, White (possibly Marble over 30)
20-25: Basabe, Gesell
15-20: Woodbury, McCabe, Oglesby
May is a wildcard, anywhere from 10-20
Clemmons I'm figuring for 10-15 if he works out like people seem to think he will
Olaseni, Meyer, Ingram will depend on the situation
May, Clemmons, Olaseni, Ingram will play more or less depending on how effective the game match-up is for them as defenders.
 


Even at Siena,when he had his full system in place with his handpicked roster,Fran did not have a rotation that went deeper than 8. Now, with 12 guys who could possibly contribute, it will be interesting to see if Fran changes his pattern and plays more than 8 or 9.

I could see him deciding to redshirt a frosh or two,if they are not ready.
Or, not. Meyer is at a deep position,so if he is not ready to play immediately,it makes some sense to redshirt him. Ingram is at a wing where Iowa is thinner,so he probably plays.

This is probably going to be a year when Fran plays a number of combinations,and starting is not set in stone. Who is in there at the end of games is a better indicator to pecking order. I think that could end up being McCabe,Mel,White,Marble and Gesell...vets who have been thru the Big Ten wars. May will play also. Marble will play 2 guard more than 3.
 


Tom Davis use to say the reason he always had so much depth is because he actually played the players. I hope he goes fairly deep to utlize the different combinations he could throw at a team. It will make Iowa hard to prepare for defensively and offensively in just a couple of days.
 








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