JonDMiller
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From a career standpoint, you are talking about numbers 3 and 4 in Iowa history. tough to call someone overrated when they are in that conversation.
A quick realization RE: Stanzi
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From a career standpoint, you are talking about numbers 3 and 4 in Iowa history. tough to call someone overrated when they are in that conversation.
DwayneTwill
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I'm speaking mostly of his decision making. Stanzi has great stats, but if he'd been a two-year starter like most Iowa QBs, his numbers wouldn't look as outstanding. He was a solid player and did some great things. I'm not denying that.
DwayneTwill
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Those are good numbers.
hawkeyescott
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I had some wrong so I deleted the post here are the numbers of junior and senior years:
Long: 6168 yards, 49 TD's, 29 INT's
Tate: 5451 yards, 40 TD's, 20 INT's
Hartlieb: 6165 yards, 33 TD's, 17 INT's
Stanzi: 5421 yards, 42 TD's, 21 INT's
JonDMiller
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Which is why these four are the best Iowa QB's since Randy Duncan and the 1950's.
Hartlieb probably had fewer starts than the other three, in the two year span...
Rick was Jeckyl and Hyde as a closer. Late in his SO year and his JR year he was money. His SR he looked like a deer in headlights. He won his bowl games, which is a plus. He didn't win a B10 championship; that's a minus. I value championships over stats and regular season performance. I'm also more of a Tom Brady fan than Manning. I like Rick, but he's never been 1st or 2nd team all conference or won a conference title. Top 3 in the last 30 years is ambitious. I'll see your top 1/2 dozen, but that's it.
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alexzelada
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Agreed. How many 2 star recruits accomplish what he did?
hawkeyescott
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What are you talking about? His senior year he had a higher completion %, more yards, more TD's and less INT's then his junior year, so to say he looked like a deer in headlights his senior year does prove you pay more attention to championships instead of stats I guess.
trj
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2 things stand out to me: One of 10 to maybe 15 players that helped get the culture turned around and get it back to the way it used to be under KF after the trainwreck seasons of 05-07.
As Jon has alluded to he set a precedent on how to prepare and study that has been passed on to JVB who will in turn pass it on to Derby, Rudock or whoever follows JVB. His 3 year run/influence will still be felt 5-7 years down the road.
Right now I have Ricky in the top 5, but that is as far as I will go. Factors that should not matter actually somewhat do with me. I want to see how Ricky's pro career turns out before I make a final call. I want to see how JVB does. JVB's physical skill set is better, but does he have the mental aspect of the game that Ricky had.
As Jon has alluded to he set a precedent on how to prepare and study that has been passed on to JVB who will in turn pass it on to Derby, Rudock or whoever follows JVB. His 3 year run/influence will still be felt 5-7 years down the road.
Right now I have Ricky in the top 5, but that is as far as I will go. Factors that should not matter actually somewhat do with me. I want to see how Ricky's pro career turns out before I make a final call. I want to see how JVB does. JVB's physical skill set is better, but does he have the mental aspect of the game that Ricky had.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
He had one of the best touchdown to INT ratios in school history during his senior year, and also set the school record for passing efficiency in a single season.
I'll take a few more deers like that, thanks.
hoopthemottle
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Just WIN, baby! And Ricky did. 2009 was amazing and excruciating and oh-so memorable.
HawkAttack
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I love Ricky and he'd make my lifetime's top 5 Iowa QBs, but Iowa had some crazy-good defenses every year he was a starter and in his 'rookie' year all he really had to do was hand it off to Shonn Greene for 9 wins (or however many he got after taking over permanently).
Shonn Greene and the defense each won more games for Iowa in '08 than Stanzi.
The defense won many more games than Stanzi in '09, the BCS Bowl year.
Stanzi was mostly money in '10 but could not duplicate the win total because the defense took a step back from 'elite' to 'very good' and the offense didn't always make up for it.
He's got a nice win/loss record, but just because he was the QB doesn't mean he was the main reason they won a game. This is all just another case of The 'QB always gets credit for a victory even if he went 13/30 with 1TD and 2 INTs' Syndrome.
1. Long
2. Hartlieb
3. Tate
4. Banks / Stanzi
5. Rodgers
Stanzi is an all-time GREAT Iowa QB, but he also was not asked to do nearly as much as most, if not all, of the other guys on my list, IMO.
Shonn Greene and the defense each won more games for Iowa in '08 than Stanzi.
The defense won many more games than Stanzi in '09, the BCS Bowl year.
Stanzi was mostly money in '10 but could not duplicate the win total because the defense took a step back from 'elite' to 'very good' and the offense didn't always make up for it.
He's got a nice win/loss record, but just because he was the QB doesn't mean he was the main reason they won a game. This is all just another case of The 'QB always gets credit for a victory even if he went 13/30 with 1TD and 2 INTs' Syndrome.
1. Long
2. Hartlieb
3. Tate
4. Banks / Stanzi
5. Rodgers
Stanzi is an all-time GREAT Iowa QB, but he also was not asked to do nearly as much as most, if not all, of the other guys on my list, IMO.
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alexzelada
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If Stanzi doesn't get injured in 2009 - there is a real possibility Iowa plays for the national title that season.
HawkAttack
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There is also a real chance Iowa still goes 0-2. It's OSU and Northwestern after all.
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alexzelada
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Much better chance that a junior with an undefeated hand outplays a red-shirt freshman with almost zero game experience. Iowa was leading NW when he went down. I doubt Iowa goes backwards with a leader that his teammates could rally around.
You can argue OSU since that is more of an unknown. But arguing against Stanzi's (Iowa's) 2009 magic seems an attempt to view that season thru the prism of a glass half empty - which certainly isn't an accurate way to view what Iowa was accomplishing with Ricky at the helm that season.
HawkAttack
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Ricky didn't play defense. That was the unit responsible for more wins in '09.
Ricky had a mediocre year in '09.
Jon I expected the other poster not to read the post he is quoting and disagreeing with but am surprised that you would do the same.
Ronco was talking about him as a closer...as in 4th q...as in game winning drives....as in deer in a headlights as a senior. Not the entire game.
NewMexHawk
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"I would say stanzi was more of a lucky QB to have the defense around him and other good players to help him look better..."
THAT is true with most good teams is it not? Put Ricky on New Mexico's team and he would not have done as well would he. Put him on Ohio State's team and he probably wins a National Championship.
THAT is true with most good teams is it not? Put Ricky on New Mexico's team and he would not have done as well would he. Put him on Ohio State's team and he probably wins a National Championship.
hawkeyescott
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True, but Stanzi also had Iowa with the lead or tied in every game in the 4th quarter last year. If the D that is getting so much of the credit for his success had made just one more stop then he wouldn't have been in the position to have to lead a 2 minute drive.
I guess if people want to say the D is the reason for his success you could say it was the reason for "failure" in winning games last year.
