Current bowl winning streaks (no missing years)

[hawkfaninTX]

This years Bowl Teams and most consecutive wins in as many years (no missing years) For example Iowa has no missing years in '08 & '09 and won both bowl games. The Elite group that Iowa belongs to below could thin by January 9th. Here are the all current streaks with this years teams:

Utah 7 - playing a ****** off Boise State, or are they bummed?

Georgia 4 - UCF looked like Michigan with a better defense vs SMU, but Georgia went 5-3 with AJ Green & UCF is 2-23 vs BCS conference teams since joining FBS

Iowa 2 - Redemption anybody?
Florida 2 - Went 3-5 down the stretch while PSU went 5-3
Nebraska 2 - Can Washington winning 3 straight to get bowl eligible win?
South Florida 2 - playing in the backyard of their opponent, Clemson
Florida State 2 - was 1-3 versus ranked opponents... Gamecock win?
Connecticut 2 - pretty confident this ends this year vs OU...
Virginia Tech 2 - facing the toughest opponent of the above listed teams!

Auburn 1
Middle Tennessee State 1
Arkansas 1
Ohio State 1
Oklahoma 1
Clemson 1
Boise State 1
BYU 1
Navy 1
Air Force 1
SMU 1
Texas Tech 1
Penn State 1
Alabama 1
Wisconsin 1

Oregon 0
Boston College 0
Nevada 0
Kentucky 0
Pittsburg 0
Texas A&M 0
LSU 0 -- Had won 4 straight prior to last year's loss to PSU
Miami (OH) 0
Stanford 0
TCU 0
Mississippi State 0
Michigan 0
Michigan State 0
Northwestern 0
South Carolina 0
UCF 0
Miami 0
Notre Dame 0
Washington 0
Tennessee 0
UNC 0
Syracuse 0
Kansas St 0
Army 0
Arizona 0
Oklahoma State 0
Baylor 0
Illinois 0
NC State 0
East Carolina 0
Missouri 0
NC State 0
West Virginia 0
Georgia Tech 0
Toledo 0
Florida International 0 -literally their first bowl game.
Tulsa 0
Hawaii 0
San Diego St 0
Louisville 0
UTEP 0
Northern Illinois 0
Fresno State 0
Troy 0

all these "0's" make the Bowl games really exciting. For most of these "0's" this might be there only chance at a bowl.This is why the "playoff" will never come to fruition unless you count a (+1) a play-off.

 

[tm3308]

By all means, keep the smaller bowls for the teams that aren't contenders for a title. Use the Rose/Cotton/Fiesta (FBS West), and Orange/Sugar/Peach or Cap One (FBS East. But go back to calling the Cap One the Citrus Bowl. It just sounds better.).

With 6 bowls, you have enough games to use until the championship game (which would be separate, just like it is now). Rotate them, so that each bowl gets to host the semis every 3 years.

This way, you can get an 8-team playoff, and the rest of the country can play in the remaining bowl games. This also eliminates the weather argument in regards to fan travel (such as "who wants to go to Ann Arbor or Boise in December/January?"). Attendance would be down simply because fans won't travel to three games as well as one. But, by having the Cotton in the West and the Sugar in the East, you give fans of midwest teams a slightly more convenient destination. I also have little sympathy for bowl execs that make $600k for setting up one football game a year. As far as I'm concerned, they can take a pay cut.

Anyway, this is just some spitballing, but I think this would be enough to pick up and try to develop further.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

35% of the bowl teams are repeat winners from last year (How many are making 2 or more trips in a row? I spent enough time tonight researching this, but i wonder how that that winning percentage compares to other years.

 

[SDK46]

all these "0's" make the Bowl games really exciting. For most of these "0's" this might be there only chance at a bowl.This is why the "playoff" will never come to fruition unless you count a (+1) a play-off.

You couldn't be more wrong. (shakes head)

Get back with me after the rating come out for the, say, lower 1/3 of the bowls..including Iowa's.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

SDK46: do you mean i couldn't be more wrong about there "never" being a playoff?
I think all the "shenanigans" that were pulled this year only add to my reasoning as to why there will never be anything more than a +1


Since I respect a lot of your posts, Do you have any feedback on the streaks above?

 

[hawkfaninTX]

KF is 6-2 against the spread in bowl games. We were only favored in 2 of our last 8 bowl games ('05 season vs FLA, and '09 season vs S.Carolina). What will be the spread in this game???

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

By all means, keep the smaller bowls for the teams that aren't contenders for a title. Use the Rose/Cotton/Fiesta (FBS West), and Orange/Sugar/Peach or Cap One (FBS East. But go back to calling the Cap One the Citrus Bowl. It just sounds better.).

With 6 bowls, you have enough games to use until the championship game (which would be separate, just like it is now). Rotate them, so that each bowl gets to host the semis every 3 years.

This way, you can get an 8-team playoff, and the rest of the country can play in the remaining bowl games. This also eliminates the weather argument in regards to fan travel (such as "who wants to go to Ann Arbor or Boise in December/January?"). Attendance would be down simply because fans won't travel to three games as well as one. But, by having the Cotton in the West and the Sugar in the East, you give fans of midwest teams a slightly more convenient destination. I also have little sympathy for bowl execs that make $600k for setting up one football game a year. As far as I'm concerned, they can take a pay cut.

Anyway, this is just some spitballing, but I think this would be enough to pick up and try to develop further.

There is no way an 8 team playoff ever works. It has to be plus 1 or a 16 team playoff. With an 8 team playoff you're leaving room for only two at large teams, assuming one Non AQ conference team goes undefeated and gets in, you're leaving out all but one of Ohio St, Stanford, Michigan St, Arkansas.

 

[joker]

Excellent research!
Too bad is doesn't mean anything.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

Excellent research!
Too bad is doesn't mean anything.

Why does it not mean anything? If anything it shows consistency and for someone like Mark Richt in Georgia who is on the "hot" seat. He probably wins against UCF and people will still call for his head, even after winning 5 straight bowls. They may have underperformed this year, but when put behind the eight ball after starting 1-4 with a loss @ colorado they put together a tremendous recovery to finish 5-2 and will carry that momentum on to next year.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

There is no way an 8 team playoff ever works. It has to be plus 1 or a 16 team playoff. With an 8 team playoff you're leaving room for only two at large teams, assuming one Non AQ conference team goes undefeated and gets in, you're leaving out all but one of Ohio St, Stanford, Michigan St, Arkansas.

I've always said roll with 10 team playoff, no bowls would need to change. I dont know why they numbered it the way they did in the picture but it would go as follows:

Top bracket #9 vs #10 plays in to #1
Bottom Bracket #7 vs #8 plays in to #2;

then it is a 8 team playoff. that way you include the same rules from every year (6 AQ teams, and 4 at large) #3 & #4 in BCS Standings are auto selections no matter conference affiliation.

EDIT: Admendment to the post: the rankings (#9 vs #10) does not literally mean the #9 & #10 ranked team in the country. It would be the worst & second worst ranked team in the final rankings, the 4 at large teams would consist of the 4 highest ranked teams that are not already AQ teams (no more than two from conference). this year would be

upper bracket
............................(3) #3 TCU
............................(5) #5 Wisconsin

(9) #12 VaTech
(10) Connecticut......(*) [9 or 10]
............................(1) #1 Auburn
______________________________________________
lower bracket
............................(2) #2 Oregon
(7) #7 Oklahoma......(*) [7 or 8]
(8) #8 Arkansas

..........................(4) #4 Stanford
..........................(6) #6 Ohio State

 

[SDK46]

SDK46: a.) do you mean i couldn't be more wrong about there "never" being a playoff?
I think all the "shenanigans" that were pulled this year only add to my reasoning as to why there will never be anything more than a +1


b.) Since I respect a lot of your posts, Do you have any feedback on the streaks above?

a.) Yes
b.) thank you
c.) always good to look at a positive angle. I think, though, you have to sorta "seed" or "rate" the bowls for acuity. I.e....winning 3 consecutive BCS games would mean more than winning 3 lower-tiered bowl games.

As far as a playoff, sixteen is the magic number. Read Wentzel's article on the ESPN website from today (12/6)....even with 11 automatic conference champs in the playoffs, you get 5 at large's. Only team who really gets screwed in his scenerio this year is Boise...but they are poisoned by their weak SOS.

 

[tm3308]

There is no way an 8 team playoff ever works. It has to be plus 1 or a 16 team playoff. With an 8 team playoff you're leaving room for only two at large teams, assuming one Non AQ conference team goes undefeated and gets in, you're leaving out all but one of Ohio St, Stanford, Michigan St, Arkansas.

I'd just say take the top 8 (or 10, if you want a couple more spots), regardless of conference. If the Big Ten Champ can't crack the top 10, odds are they aren't anywhere close to being the best team in the country. With the ACC and Big East currently serving as little more than leeches, I have no problem getting rid of the AQ/non-AQ status. Just take the top teams.

 

[tm3308]

a.) Yes
b.) thank you
c.) always good to look at a positive angle. I think, though, you have to sorta "seed" or "rate" the bowls for acuity. I.e....winning 3 consecutive BCS games would mean more than winning 3 lower-tiered bowl games.

As far as a playoff, sixteen is the magic number. Read Wentzel's article on the ESPN website from today (12/6)....even with 11 automatic conference champs in the playoffs, you get 5 at large's. Only team who really gets screwed in his scenerio this year is Boise...but they are poisoned by their weak SOS.

In that setup, not even Boise gets left out. A top 12 team with 1 loss, on the road to a ranked opponent would get in, particularly if they have a rep like Boise has.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

In that setup, not even Boise gets left out. A top 12 team with 1 loss, on the road to a ranked opponent would get in, particularly if they have a rep like Boise has.

With my version you could easily bump to a 12 team playoff with which Boise & believe it or not MISSOURI would have then been chosen. (6 AQ's & 6 at-large, with no more than 2 from each division) BCS Top 4 get automatic Bye.

*Top Teams left out because of the 2 team per conference rule: Michigan State & LSU.

 

[SDK46]

Need to get rid of the current antiquated BCS rule about no more than two teams from any conference getting into the BCS games....in this case....the playoffs.

Dumb rule to appease the lesser programs.

The best teams should go. Just like in Men's BB tourney. If Big-10 takes 7 according to SOS and selection committee, then so be it.

An 11-1 MSU team should not be in the Cap-1 bowl this year for example.

 

[edr247]

An 11-1 MSU team should not be in the Cap-1 bowl this year for example.

It would be interesting to see what would happen with the bowl games if a playoff system were to be instituted. Would they stay? (I say yes) When would they play? How would they be dealt with regard to final rankings, etc, etc.

As for the bolded part, I agree. But then again, that falls on us, no? We ruined their season twice, IMO. First when we crushed them (giving them the worst loss of the three current champs and more importantly, the most recent loss) and second when we failed to beat tOSU.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

I'd just say take the top 8 (or 10, if you want a couple more spots), regardless of conference. If the Big Ten Champ can't crack the top 10, odds are they aren't anywhere close to being the best team in the country. With the ACC and Big East currently serving as little more than leeches, I have no problem getting rid of the AQ/non-AQ status. Just take the top teams.

No conference would ever agree to that arrangement. They go from getting a guaranteed $15+ million per BCS bowl game to getting shut out of the playoff and getting none. Not happening.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

With my version you could easily bump to a 12 team playoff with which Boise & believe it or not MISSOURI would have then been chosen. (6 AQ's & 6 at-large, with no more than 2 from each division) BCS Top 4 get automatic Bye.

*Top Teams left out because of the 2 team per conference rule: Michigan State & LSU.

I like it with 12, but get rid of the two team per conference limit. Mich St and LSU should be in over Missouri or Boise St.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

I like it with 12, but get rid of the two team per conference limit. Mich St and LSU should be in over Missouri or Boise St.

I think you have to keep the two team rule in order to keep parity in CFB. If we didn't we would have 2 from Big 12, 2 from PAC 10, 3 from Big 10, and they would find a way to put 3 for the SEC. That leaves only TCU, acc champ, big east champ for only two open spots. I think you keep the "two team" rule just like in politics there are two senators from each state regardless of population.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

I think you have to keep the two team rule in order to keep parity in CFB. If we didn't we would have 2 from Big 12, 2 from PAC 10, 3 from Big 10, and they would find a way to put 3 for the SEC. That leaves only TCU, acc champ, big east champ for only two open spots. I think you keep the "two team" rule just like in politics there are two senators from each state regardless of population.

No, I meant keep the AQ conf champs in there. So you have the six BCS confence champs, then simply take the next 6 highest ranked teams. If that ends up with 3 B10 or 3 SEC teams, that's fine. So this year would be UConn, Oklahoma, Oregon, Wisconsin, Virginia Tech, Auburn and the at larges would be TCU, Stanford, Ohio St, Arkansas, Michigan St and Boise St.