hawkfan2679
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Holy first down batman! Miami ready to take this game! My cup of excitement is about runneth over!
Is it the same guy?
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hawkfan2679
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F. O. G. Ballgame, Miami wins.
hawkfan2679
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Off-topic again...a formation I'm toying with:
.........X............T..G..C..G..T......TE
..............................Q...........F........................Z
..............................R
You can do a lot with that nasty slot TE alignment...crack, easier path to ILB to seal, release easier into coverage. Plus, you can still run power to both sides and still release 4 vertical threats (conceivably) into a pass pattern at the snap. I think tOSU uses this a little bit.
.........X............T..G..C..G..T......TE
..............................Q...........F........................Z
..............................R
You can do a lot with that nasty slot TE alignment...crack, easier path to ILB to seal, release easier into coverage. Plus, you can still run power to both sides and still release 4 vertical threats (conceivably) into a pass pattern at the snap. I think tOSU uses this a little bit.
ColoradoHAWKEYE
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This thread is really funny (and insightful). I even had to go on the tube and check out that game. Very dense fog indeed. Go on, talk amongst yourself(s).
hawkeyebob62
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Which begs the question: Has anyone ever posted an in-game thread and forgotten to note that the game under discussion is NCAA Football 20XX and not a game the whole viewing public can see?
Just wondering...
hawkfan2679
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You mean like someone playing a video game, and for some reason posting on a message board about it?
There was a MAC football game last night...but I'm sure most get ESPN2, if that's what you were questioning? /confused
hawkfan2679
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Tried that...mission accomplished within the first two posts.
imported_ankle23
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so how did Semmes and Paine look? i didn't watch the game.
burky247
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I think we're going to need to see your defensive blueprint for how to stop this formation.
hawkfan2679
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I didn't even realize Semmes was playing until Homer pointed it out at some point in the 4th quarter. I didn't really notice much from Paine except kick returns, and he didn't seem to make that big of an impact. Not that you could really see anything anyway with all the fog...
hawkfan2679
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Well that's the thing...I'm not sure how a defense would line up to it. In an even front, the 3 technique would almost certainly be to the double TE side. However, the alignment of the DE can only do so much. If he lines up in a 5 or 6 tech (head up on the "slot" TE or outside shoulder of the tackle) you can get toss sweep all day long. If he lines up outside the slot you can run power all day long. If you overshift to the double tight set you leave some things open backside, including a nice 1 on 1 with your WR. The key to the formation is the unique blocking angles provided by having a wing TE with another TE outside him on the LOS. You could throw some unbalanced looks in there too. Put Z on the LOS, take X off the LOS, flip the LT and the TE and you've got yourself an unbalanced look with a lot of mass to the strong side with 2 eligible receivers backside, like this:
...................TE..G..C..G..T......T............Z
.....X.....................Q..........F
............................R
From a passing standpoint, you are now in a balanced formation, able to release 2 vertical receivers at the snap of the ball. But from a running formation, you are HEAVILY favoring the right side, which again leaves some nice backside passing options open.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Hawkfan2679 I thought you had a good thread here. Seems like poeple just wouldnt let you talk though. People the man is trying to have a discussion please dont interupt. Carry on.
hawkfan2679
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***EDIT - Nerd Alert!!!***
Instead of trying to find a place to stick this, I thought I'd resurrect this thread...
On that interception play vs. NW, Stanzi had McNutt and Reisner open very early, but too early to throw them the ball. It looked like a combination of:
1) Bad play design or they had the right coverage called for the offensive play
2) Bad route by Reisner (far too deep, at least so it looked to me)
3) Terrible decision by Stanzi
By the time Rick was ready to throw, the right CB had bailed to a deep third. There was an opportunity to try to go over the top on the sideline to the deep cross (McNutt) but it would have been a low percentage throw into that wind...no more low percentage than the throw Stanzi made though.
Breaking it down further...
.........................................F
....LC...............$
.............................................................RC
.....................................S.....M
.............................E.....T....N.....E..W
.............................Y..T..G..C..G..T..H
.....X..............Z..................Q
.........................................R
This is what the play looked like presnap, after McNutt (Z) had motioned over from the right side. DJK (X) ran the post route, McNutt (Z) ran the deep cross, and Reisner (Y) ran a drag/short cross. Play action went to Robinson (R) and Herman (H) stayed in to pass block.
I've already established that NW was in 3 deep coverage (as most teams are against trips), but because the RC had nothing threatening him to his side, he played up and only had to gain depth late as McNutt crossed. Here's my take on each scenario:
1) Bad route design (or good/lucky coverage call by NW) - Motioning McNutt over left the RC with nothing to threaten his underneath leverage, allowing him to put his back to the sideline and read the play coming to him. This allowed him to watch McNutt on the cross and Reisner on the drag. If you limit McNutt's motion to stop about 3 yards away from Zus at RT and have him run a whip or slant return route and stay flat, you put him directly underneath the CB which would 1) have given Rick an outlet if everyone else was covered because the RC bailed to his deep 1/3rd or 2) opened up the downfield throw if the RC got nosy on the flat route. Keep in mind that in cover 3, the RC isn't responsible for the flat, but since the play action kept the LB's from getting into their pass drops quickly, he may have tried to stay shallow longer to keep the flat protected. But motioning him over gave him carte blanche (sp?) to watch the play unfold in front of him. This brings me to the next issue...
2) Reisner's route was too deep - I'm not sure why it happened this way, maybe it was to sell the zone play to the left, but Reisner took an outside release on the DE, which kicked him way outside where he probably should have been on this route. If he takes an inside release and he's doing in effect what I discussed in the previous point about occupying the flat defender. Maybe he beats the flat defender to his pass drop (which looked like he had a chance of doing on this play), maybe the CB gets nosy...What did happen on the play is that Reisner gets to a depth of about 7 or 8 yards, which allowed the RC to play both McNutt and Reisner from his position, which probably muddied the read considerably for Stanzi.
3) Terrible decision/read by Stanzi - Not much to say here. I'm not sure what the coaching point was here, but it seemed to take Stanzi quite a while after the play fake to get set up to throw. You use the play action to try to allow the receiver to "take the top off" the coverage...but it was clear that NW's safeties didn't bite, as there were two defenders deeper than DJK when Stanzi threw it. This was probably one of those instances where Rick had in his mind that he was going deep, and he wouldn't let coverage or anything else dissuade him.
Instead of trying to find a place to stick this, I thought I'd resurrect this thread...
On that interception play vs. NW, Stanzi had McNutt and Reisner open very early, but too early to throw them the ball. It looked like a combination of:
1) Bad play design or they had the right coverage called for the offensive play
2) Bad route by Reisner (far too deep, at least so it looked to me)
3) Terrible decision by Stanzi
By the time Rick was ready to throw, the right CB had bailed to a deep third. There was an opportunity to try to go over the top on the sideline to the deep cross (McNutt) but it would have been a low percentage throw into that wind...no more low percentage than the throw Stanzi made though.
Breaking it down further...
.........................................F
....LC...............$
.............................................................RC
.....................................S.....M
.............................E.....T....N.....E..W
.............................Y..T..G..C..G..T..H
.....X..............Z..................Q
.........................................R
This is what the play looked like presnap, after McNutt (Z) had motioned over from the right side. DJK (X) ran the post route, McNutt (Z) ran the deep cross, and Reisner (Y) ran a drag/short cross. Play action went to Robinson (R) and Herman (H) stayed in to pass block.
I've already established that NW was in 3 deep coverage (as most teams are against trips), but because the RC had nothing threatening him to his side, he played up and only had to gain depth late as McNutt crossed. Here's my take on each scenario:
1) Bad route design (or good/lucky coverage call by NW) - Motioning McNutt over left the RC with nothing to threaten his underneath leverage, allowing him to put his back to the sideline and read the play coming to him. This allowed him to watch McNutt on the cross and Reisner on the drag. If you limit McNutt's motion to stop about 3 yards away from Zus at RT and have him run a whip or slant return route and stay flat, you put him directly underneath the CB which would 1) have given Rick an outlet if everyone else was covered because the RC bailed to his deep 1/3rd or 2) opened up the downfield throw if the RC got nosy on the flat route. Keep in mind that in cover 3, the RC isn't responsible for the flat, but since the play action kept the LB's from getting into their pass drops quickly, he may have tried to stay shallow longer to keep the flat protected. But motioning him over gave him carte blanche (sp?) to watch the play unfold in front of him. This brings me to the next issue...
2) Reisner's route was too deep - I'm not sure why it happened this way, maybe it was to sell the zone play to the left, but Reisner took an outside release on the DE, which kicked him way outside where he probably should have been on this route. If he takes an inside release and he's doing in effect what I discussed in the previous point about occupying the flat defender. Maybe he beats the flat defender to his pass drop (which looked like he had a chance of doing on this play), maybe the CB gets nosy...What did happen on the play is that Reisner gets to a depth of about 7 or 8 yards, which allowed the RC to play both McNutt and Reisner from his position, which probably muddied the read considerably for Stanzi.
3) Terrible decision/read by Stanzi - Not much to say here. I'm not sure what the coaching point was here, but it seemed to take Stanzi quite a while after the play fake to get set up to throw. You use the play action to try to allow the receiver to "take the top off" the coverage...but it was clear that NW's safeties didn't bite, as there were two defenders deeper than DJK when Stanzi threw it. This was probably one of those instances where Rick had in his mind that he was going deep, and he wouldn't let coverage or anything else dissuade him.
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