Moore Gone at Michigan....

[haydensly]

At this point with all the coaching vacancies around the "league" filled, it'd probably be best to wait it out until next year. Keep as many current players as possible with the current staff memer.

How could you go wrong with a guy named Biff?

 

[trj]

Clean house. Klyle Whittingham as the de facto interim..seems like where this is heading.

 

[NCHawker]

Where's Rob howe and his moral outrage when you need him.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

Where's Rob howe and his moral outrage when you need him.

Those trying to compare this to Paterno and PSU are misguided. This does not involve children, but mostly just entitled adults doing naughty adult things while those in power turning a blind eye when it is convenient. There is an angle of violence/coercion against women I don't discount, but balance that with some clear mental health issues and this thing is closer to sad than outrageous. If you want to loop in the Harbaugh stuff, then you have adults trying to cheat the system. Repeatedly and brazenly.

I don't see a lot of room for moral outrage. Michigan just has a bad culture and terrible leadership. If you are a supporter of the program, you have the right to be pissed and want seismic change. If, like most, you hate Michigan and its arrogance, you can just sit back and watch the house burn. Slowly.

 

[Fryowa]

Where's Rob howe and his moral outrage when you need him.

The last person on earth you'll ever see here is Rob. Let's not turn this thread into that. I don't want to have to throw it in OT.

 

[Fryowa]

Those trying to compare this to Paterno and PSU are misguided. This does not involve children, but mostly just entitled adults doing naughty adult things while those in power turning a blind eye when it is convenient. There is an angle of violence/coercion against women I don't discount, but balance that with some clear mental health issues and this thing is closer to sad than outrageous. If you want to loop in the Harbaugh stuff, then you have adults trying to cheat the system. Repeatedly and brazenly.

I don't see a lot of room for moral outrage. Michigan just has a bad culture and terrible leadership. If you are a supporter of the program, you have the right to be pissed and want seismic change. If, like most, you hate Michigan and its arrogance, you can just sit back and watch the house burn. Slowly.

The moral outrage should be 50/50 with the couple in the relationship and the U.

Moore and sidepiece are definitely deranged by societal standards and deserve the backlash they're getting, but the relationship was ongoing for several years and the AD & his associates tried to keep it quiet for several years. There were clear cut, unambiguous rules about it and they didn't report it for fear of what's happening now. As soon as Manuel found out he should've cut off communication and reported it to his superiors. But...I'm guessing he thought 1) he could manage it and 2) if he reported it Moore and others knew about skeletons in his own closet that would come out. Judging by his past actions, I am pretty confident Manuel has plenty of those skeletons.

But I agree that this is mostly a nothing burger other than the fact that he has 3 kids and a wife who are going to hear about it for the rest of their lives. That's not cool. I've heard the wife already knew so that's a wild card. When it comes down to it though, this probably would've happened whether Moore was a supervisor at a car dealership or a Michigan football coach. People like this have it in their DNA regardless of social or economic status. The AD etc. didn't harm any kids by not reporting...they simply didn't follow protocol. The punishment should be dismissal of all involved parties and move along. The reason this is getting so much traction and a circus built around it is because of the high-level of "publicness."

 

[Hawkfnntn]

The last person on earth you'll ever see here is Rob. Let's not turn this thread into that. I don't want to have to throw it in OT.

Yeah he seems to want to only scream into an echo chamber these days. He's not about being on message boards anymore or even getting controversial on X so much. He has been doing Pods with Moorehouse once in awhile though.

Since he wrote that article on KF basically crapping all over him becoming the winningest HC in the BIG he's back to hiding mostly I have no clue what else he does now

 

[NorthKCHawk]

The moral outrage should be 50/50 with the couple in the relationship and the U.

Moore and sidepiece are definitely deranged by societal standards and deserve the backlash they're getting, but the relationship was ongoing for several years and the AD & his associates tried to keep it quiet for several years. There were clear cut, unambiguous rules about it and they didn't report it for fear of what's happening now. As soon as Manuel found out he should've cut off communication and reported it to his superiors. But...I'm guessing he thought 1) he could manage it and 2) if he reported it Moore and others knew about skeletons in his own closet that would come out. Judging by his past actions, I am pretty confident Manuel has plenty of those skeletons.

But I agree that this is mostly a nothing burger other than the fact that he has 3 kids and a wife who are going to hear about it for the rest of their lives. That's not cool. I've heard the wife already knew so that's a wild card. When it comes down to it though, this probably would've happened whether Moore was a supervisor at a car dealership or a Michigan football coach. People like this have it in their DNA regardless of social or economic status. The AD etc. didn't harm any kids by not reporting...they simply didn't follow protocol. The punishment should be dismissal of all involved parties and move along. The reason this is getting so much traction and a circus built around it is because of the high-level of "publicness."

While I am assuming this is a sad situation for his wife and kids based upon how it would impact my family, as you noted, we don't know their situation. There are plenty of marriages, especially amongst the power elite, where there are understandings reached and knowledge of this type of thing that are tolerated in exchange for the lifestyle. One need look no further than the most prominent couple in the world to see how such relationships can work. I also don't know enough about the side piece's situation to fully judge. Nor do I know what the AD and other leadership knew. But, your point is spot on that regardless of the human side of things, this affair was against the rules, any knowledge of it was mandatory reporting, and it should have resulted in his suspension or removal regardless of how he fared against OSU. It seems more and more obvious that --- like PSU --- the leadership within the Michigan athletic department failed to follow basic processes. That is a lack of leadership and culture. Plain and simple.

 

[Fryowa]

While I am assuming this is a sad situation for his wife and kids based upon how it would impact my family, as you noted, we don't know their situation. There are plenty of marriages, especially amongst the power elite, where there are understandings reached and knowledge of this type of thing that are tolerated in exchange for the lifestyle. One need look no further than the most prominent couple in the world to see how such relationships can work. I also don't know enough about the side piece's situation to fully judge. Nor do I know what the AD and other leadership knew. But, your point is spot on that regardless of the human side of things, this affair was against the rules, any knowledge of it was mandatory reporting, and it should have resulted in his suspension or removal regardless of how he fared against OSU. It seems more and more obvious that --- like PSU --- the leadership within the Michigan athletic department failed to follow basic processes. That is a lack of leadership and culture. Plain and simple.

The longer I think about it I simply can't find a single victim in this whole thing other than the kids. The wife is an adult, and I have a pretty tough time thinking she didn't at least know something was up since everything I've read said it was several years. But maybe I'm wrong. In any case, she'll never have to work a day in her life and chances are real, real good she'll find someone 50 notches better than her current husband if she wants. A brand new Jag every year for her and her new dude if it happens is just desserts and will go a long way to soothing that wound.

This is a Days of Our Lives situation where a bunch of rich and (in)famous adults with money and power did dumb things with said money and power. Nothing more.

 

[Fryowa]

Yeah he seems to want to only scream into an echo chamber these days. He's not about being on message boards anymore or even getting controversial on X so much. He has been doing Pods with Moorehouse once in awhile though.

Since he wrote that article on KF basically crapping all over him becoming the winningest HC in the BIG he's back to hiding mostly I have no clue what else he does now

I watch his pods with Morehouse and they're good. I like Rob. He's a good dude but his beliefs just don't fit in the midwest on average and that's ok. One thing I do admire about him is he didn't use the easy button. Like him or don't like him, I have a lot of respect for people who are willing to blow their lives up for what they believe in. I don't know if I have the stones to do that. If he had just kept quiet he'd probably still be covering the Hawks like he was before.

I know he had freelance side gigs even before 2020 so I'm guessing he's still doing a lot of that. He did work for milesplit.com covering HS stuff which to me would probably be a lot more fun, if not as lucrative.

It's also a reason I don't like talking either politics or religion with friends (or non-friends for that matter). I know a lot of folks who hate people they'd otherwise be great friends with because of facebook or twitter posts. I'm not saying you shouldn't post that stuff, just that I'm not going to discuss it with you, give you my opinion, or try to change your opinion. I know what I believe, I act in accordance with it, and that's all I can...or will...do.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

While I am assuming this is a sad situation for his wife and kids based upon how it would impact my family, as you noted, we don't know their situation. There are plenty of marriages, especially amongst the power elite, where there are understandings reached and knowledge of this type of thing that are tolerated in exchange for the lifestyle. One need look no further than the most prominent couple in the world to see how such relationships can work. I also don't know enough about the side piece's situation to fully judge. Nor do I know what the AD and other leadership knew. But, your point is spot on that regardless of the human side of things, this affair was against the rules, any knowledge of it was mandatory reporting, and it should have resulted in his suspension or removal regardless of how he fared against OSU. It seems more and more obvious that --- like PSU --- the leadership within the Michigan athletic department failed to follow basic processes. That is a lack of leadership and culture. Plain and simple.

No doubt there's a lot of unconventional marriages out there... This might be one of them. All I can say is I'm sure there's probably a lot more of those out there then we could possibly imagine. It's certainly not new

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I watch his pods with Morehouse and they're good. I like Rob. He's a good dude but his beliefs just don't fit in the midwest on average and that's ok. One thing I do admire about him is he didn't use the easy button. Like him or don't like him, I have a lot of respect for people who are willing to blow their lives up for what they believe in. I don't know if I have the stones to do that. If he had just kept quiet he'd probably still be covering the Hawks like he was before.

I know he had freelance side gigs even before 2020 so I'm guessing he's still doing a lot of that. He did work for milesplit.com covering HS stuff which to me would probably be a lot more fun, if not as lucrative.

It's also a reason I don't like talking either politics or religion with friends (or non-friends for that matter). I know a lot of folks who hate people they'd otherwise be great friends with because of facebook or twitter posts. I'm not saying you shouldn't post that stuff, just that I'm not going to discuss it with you, give you my opinion, or try to change your opinion. I know what I believe, I act in accordance with it, and that's all I can...or will...do.

I wasn't sure why he couldn't latch onto a local paper or something to keep covering em. Hard to say what all he applied to. He seems to like HS local stuff so that's good. He didn't lose the Hawkeye Nation job due to anything he did. The new owners just ran this into the ground is how I saw it. Jon Miller got what he could out of it when he sold and did right by himself way back when. I'd be more curious about what he's up to these days. He's fallen off the grid it seems like.

I'm totally cool with talking politics with whomever and still being friendly. I'm no flag waving one side of the fence is the only way kind of person. Some issues I think one way and others another. I do like knowing what makes others tick and if they have buttons that if pushed burns bridges. I can be cordial with about anyone. Reading the room is the trick I suppose that's easier said then done for many.

 

[Fryowa]

I wasn't sure why he couldn't latch onto a local paper or something to keep covering em. Hard to say what all he applied to. He seems to like HS local stuff so that's good. He didn't lose the Hawkeye Nation job due to anything he did. The new owners just ran this into the ground is how I saw it. Jon Miller got what he could out of it when he sold and did right by himself way back when. I'd be more curious about what he's up to these days. He's fallen off the grid it seems like.

I'm totally cool with talking politics with whomever and still being friendly. I'm no flag waving one side of the fence is the only way kind of person. Some issues I think one way and others another. I do like knowing what makes others tick and if they have buttons that if pushed burns bridges. I can be cordial with about anyone. Reading the room is the trick I suppose that's easier said then done for many.

I just avoid having to read the room by keeping it all to myself and never asking people those questions, lol Some people aren't built that way, I get it.

 

[ssckelley]

I do miss the old days when we had actual writers on this site. This used to be THEE place for anything Hawkeye news and discussion now it's been reduced to nothing but a forum.

How do the lights stay on here anyway? These banner ads at the top and bottom of my page?