Hawkman1961
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Really had it and gave it away sh!!
Terrible Loss
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judzeehawk
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A terrible loss is getting beat by 53 points.
BigD
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Just one first down after we got down there and then we are closer for the winning field goal while running the clock down to two seconds and making the attempt at the field goal. Worse case scenario we go into over time.
HawkeyeHypnosis
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Isn’t that Iowa football most seasons?
Glass1/2fullguy
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This 100%. The screen was there. Great call and almost certainly a first down. Coaches did their job w/ that call. Back up qb just didn’t execute. Obviously Stevens missing the FG was huge but, like other have stated, get the first down and worst case is OT.
#1DieHardHawk
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I'm not sure what's harder to deal with, feeling embarrassed and demeaned after getting completely dominated, or having a statement game slip through your fingers due to questionable coaching philosophy and a few ill-timed mental mistakes?
#1DieHardHawk
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A few things jumped out at me from this game:
1. The offense is showing some positive signs. The WRs for the most part were pretty solid and showed growth, and, some may not agree, but, except for Washington getting too many early reps, I like our RBs.
2. For whatever reason, I think the days of "TE-U" may be quickly fading. Even if Ostrenga was available, I doubt opposing teams would be the least bit intimidated.
3. The offensive line has made strides, but still way too many whiffs in both run blocking and pass-pro. Logan may be the most hyped, but he was mostly ineffective yesterday, struggling with both backside blocking and getting to the second level guys. If you are leading the RB through a hole, you can't ignore the guy to your left or right flowing to the ball. Way too many tackles were occurring behind the blockers.
4. The defense made some great stops, but the tackling at times was horrendous. Phil's 2-gap defensive scheme is predicated on the ILBs taking the proper angle, getting off blocks and filling their assigned gap. Everyone will remember Harrell getting that QB strip, but probably not the numerous overruns, improper angles and getting caught up in the wash. I'd love to go over film with Wallace find out his rationale for not rotating other guys in and letting the cream rise to the top.
5. I didn't like Brown's body language. Perhaps it was out of character, but, if you are the backup QB coming into an intense situation, your first order of business should be to calm your teammates and gain their confidence. To me, he looked timid and overwhelmed in a moment where he should have been rallying the troops.
6. Play-calling on the last drive. I'm not one to criticize play-calling generally, but when the offense has almost two minutes and all three timeouts, why abandon the run? At least give the perception. When IU was dropping into coverage and only rushing three, we could have easily picked up chunks of yards with QB and/or RB draws. There were a couple of times where Brown probably could have picked up an easy 10-15 yards with a simple draw play against the deep coverage alignment, but we played right into their hands. The opportunity to methodically march down the field was there. That one is on the coaches.
7. Playing "Not to lose" versus "To win" is getting old.
1. The offense is showing some positive signs. The WRs for the most part were pretty solid and showed growth, and, some may not agree, but, except for Washington getting too many early reps, I like our RBs.
2. For whatever reason, I think the days of "TE-U" may be quickly fading. Even if Ostrenga was available, I doubt opposing teams would be the least bit intimidated.
3. The offensive line has made strides, but still way too many whiffs in both run blocking and pass-pro. Logan may be the most hyped, but he was mostly ineffective yesterday, struggling with both backside blocking and getting to the second level guys. If you are leading the RB through a hole, you can't ignore the guy to your left or right flowing to the ball. Way too many tackles were occurring behind the blockers.
4. The defense made some great stops, but the tackling at times was horrendous. Phil's 2-gap defensive scheme is predicated on the ILBs taking the proper angle, getting off blocks and filling their assigned gap. Everyone will remember Harrell getting that QB strip, but probably not the numerous overruns, improper angles and getting caught up in the wash. I'd love to go over film with Wallace find out his rationale for not rotating other guys in and letting the cream rise to the top.
5. I didn't like Brown's body language. Perhaps it was out of character, but, if you are the backup QB coming into an intense situation, your first order of business should be to calm your teammates and gain their confidence. To me, he looked timid and overwhelmed in a moment where he should have been rallying the troops.
6. Play-calling on the last drive. I'm not one to criticize play-calling generally, but when the offense has almost two minutes and all three timeouts, why abandon the run? At least give the perception. When IU was dropping into coverage and only rushing three, we could have easily picked up chunks of yards with QB and/or RB draws. There were a couple of times where Brown probably could have picked up an easy 10-15 yards with a simple draw play against the deep coverage alignment, but we played right into their hands. The opportunity to methodically march down the field was there. That one is on the coaches.
7. Playing "Not to lose" versus "To win" is getting old.
thedukeofearl
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6. Play-calling on the last drive. I'm not one to criticize play-calling generally, but when the offense has almost two minutes and all three timeouts, why abandon the run? At least give the perception. When IU was dropping into coverage and only rushing three, we could have easily picked up chunks of yards with QB and/or RB draws. There were a couple of times where Brown probably could have picked up an easy 10-15 yards with a simple draw play against the deep coverage alignment, but we played right into their hands. The opportunity to methodically march down the field was there. That one is on the coaches.
We had the game in our hands. The game was ours to win or lose
The entire game was decided when we passed the ball when we were already in FG range
The play call was the kiss of death, Brown was swarmed and shouldn't have thrown the ball
We were playing To Lose with that call
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AreWeThereYet
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Super disappointing and super frustrating. Iowa had three decent shots at more points in the fourth quarter.
First Drive: Around midfield, off of a turnover on downs.
5 plays 11 yrds - Field goal to go ahead 13 - 10
Gronowski out trying to run on 3rd and 13.
Second Drive: Start on 25 after Ind Field Goal to tie.
6 plays 36 yrds - Brown Interception
Third drive: Start at Ind 29 off of interception.
4 plays 5 yrds - Missed Field Goal
Indiana TD
Have to execute
BigD
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Beth Goetz needs to execute for both programs not just one.
Fryowa
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I’ve been to a helluva lot of sporting events, pro and college, probably ten different sports if I had to guess. I have never been to one in my life where a stadium went from that level of energy, excitement, and noise to dead silent and deflated so fast after that missed kick. We all knew as soon as he missed it the game was lost. Everyone just seemed to know they weren’t going to tie it with a FG, they were going to march down and walk in the end zone.
That’s why I feel so strongly after watching KF’s presser that he doesn’t have it anymore. He acted like it was absolutely no big deal, like we had just lost to Georgia on the road. He doesn’t care at the level he should care. He needs to publicly show it to his players how they can’t give away a dumb personal foul that lets the other team tie the game. They can’t fail on a 3rd down that would’ve put the game away. Can’t miss an easy FG when the pressure is on that would’ve made Cignetti play in panic mode instead of calmly walking down the field to score a TD because they knew their worst case scenario was overtime. You can’t let the other team have nothing to lose.
Instead he just stood there and meekly talked like a defeated, mumbling old man who just wanted to go home and go to bed because “shit happens” and that’s football. Those aren’t the messages you send your players after a game like that. Ask yourselves how Cignetti would’ve reacted in the post game if the tables were turned. We all know, but a lot of us are just blinded by KF’s cult of personality.
BigD
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Amen
kicker22
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While true I think one that slips away from you like that one feels just as bad. Definitely not a terrible loss, but a definite kick in the nuts.
HawkPowerlifter
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I think more emotionally this one hits hard. I think that includes KF and the staff. Most of our predictions were if Iowa could slow the game down, control TOP and dial up some schemes on defense, we had a chance.
All things above happened. As mentioned, the call for a screen was a great call. It was there. With no timeouts for Indiana, I think we win that game. I also think if Gronk doesn't get hurt, I think we have more options. 3rd and 3 I believe.
To have victory snatched from you, and to essentially have a game plan that worked and to have the players put it all out there, I'm sure this was a gut punch for everyone.
I do agree, I think the tackling was not good. And a lot of over pursuit too. And yet, we were right there with Indiana. Some would say "A loss is a loss." However, I do think this team can draw a lot of positives from this game and continue to grow.
I'm on the fence about KF. I've watched his presser a few times now. Maybe he is done. Or maybe he is taking the potential loss of Gronk and the emotional drain of the game as hard as his players. We do know he lives and breathes Iowa football and loves his guys.
All things above happened. As mentioned, the call for a screen was a great call. It was there. With no timeouts for Indiana, I think we win that game. I also think if Gronk doesn't get hurt, I think we have more options. 3rd and 3 I believe.
To have victory snatched from you, and to essentially have a game plan that worked and to have the players put it all out there, I'm sure this was a gut punch for everyone.
I do agree, I think the tackling was not good. And a lot of over pursuit too. And yet, we were right there with Indiana. Some would say "A loss is a loss." However, I do think this team can draw a lot of positives from this game and continue to grow.
I'm on the fence about KF. I've watched his presser a few times now. Maybe he is done. Or maybe he is taking the potential loss of Gronk and the emotional drain of the game as hard as his players. We do know he lives and breathes Iowa football and loves his guys.
HawkIowa44
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Is "playing not to lose" the most Ferentz thing of his entire coaching era? I don't ever remember Hayden doing the same thing.
HawkPowerlifter
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He must have done something right being the winningest coach in Big Ten history. Fry was more of a gambler. I give you that. But we make that first down on that screen, we are in position to win by field goal. To me, that isn't playing not to lose.