HawkleberryFinn
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I don't like this new short career trend.
No guffus it does not.If the new redshirt rules would have been in place when he started, he would have played in 4 games during his redshirt year.
Does that help give you peace of mind?
Would you rather some other team gets those players who are good enough to leave after two years?I don't like this new short career trend.
I don't like this new short career trend.
Would you rather some other team gets those players who are good enough to leave after two years?
You’re looking a gift horse in the mouth. It’s the way of college football in the 2000s and it’s not changing, so Iowa better roll with it.
Being able to show tons of people getting drafted early and having success in the NFL is one of the biggest recruiting advantages there is. No matter what you might think it only helps Iowa’s program.
What the hell are you talking about? How did you get that from what I posted?Iowa didn't utilize Hock til his sophomore year.
Iowa's "build em up culture?"This doesn't fit Iowa's build em up culture.
Wrong again Frau. Iowa didn't utilize Hock til his sophomore year. That's one point. Another is the borader trend--players leaving early. This doesn't fit Iowa's build em up culture.
I think it'd be cool if players could get paid like pros in their junior and senior seasons. This would reduce the number of players skipping out.
What the hell are you talking about? How did you get that from what I posted?Iowa's "build em up culture?"
Is that why we've had 5 guys leave early in the past two years and 3 more who will go next year?
I love having players that are good enough to leave early. I hope we recruit more players that win national awards and are potential top 10 picks. I don't see the downfall. Would it have been better if he had ridden the bench the last 3 years and then have been a great TE for his 4th and 5th years?
People used to (and still do?) complain about being a developmental program where different players are finally good enough to play after 2 or 3 years with the program. Hockenson played 2 years early in his eligibility instead of late, like those "developmental" players.
You're not making any sense.You are defending the Iowa program's player management--I'm pointing out that management is flawed. So you don't think Iowa has a build em up (developmental) culture/framework? They explicitly say this--it's no secret.
You're not making any sense.
You say you don't like having players leaving early. Ok...
In the NCAA in 2019, the best players all leave early. No matter what team. It's not just an elite team trend, and it isn't just an Iowa trend. It's everywhere.
Iowa will likely have a 3 year stretch where we have 8 players so good they get snatched up by the pros, and you're bitching? That's fucking ridiculous.
When you no longer have players leaving early it means you're now a bottom feeder and you aren't keeping up with the Joneses.
You can say you don't like the idea overall, but to say it isn't good for the Hawkeyes is completely stupid. We have to stay as a "build em up" team (to use your term) for what reason? We can't have some of both and it has to be one or the other? Back to the drawing board.
You're not making any sense.
You say you don't like having players leaving early. Ok...
In the NCAA in 2019, the best players all leave early. No matter what team. It's not just an elite team trend, and it isn't just an Iowa trend. It's everywhere.
Iowa will likely have a 3 year stretch where we have 8 players so good they get snatched up by the pros, and you're bitching? That's fucking ridiculous.
When you no longer have players leaving early it means you're now a bottom feeder and you aren't keeping up with the Joneses.
You can say you don't like the idea overall, but to say it isn't good for the Hawkeyes is completely stupid. We have to stay as a "build em up" team (to use your term) for what reason? We can't have some of both and it has to be one or the other? Back to the drawing board.
This is pretty accurate except for teams in the B1G West. Iowa is the only team in the West that is losing players early in large numbers.
Yes, but this trend hurts Iowa more because Iowa doesn't have as many elite players flowing in game-ready as other schools. We don't reload with a bucket full of blue chips. We expect our players to peak during their final years. The exodus of our best players hurts more because we don't have all the game-ready 4 and 5 star underclassmen waiting in the wings.
I agree there's no reason we need to market ourselves as a developmental team--as Ferentz has marketed Iowa over the years. Fry didn't pull the "ah shucks we're little ole Iowa" routine. But that's what we are at the moment, and as long as we are, my assessment is valid. Others have noted this--it's pretty obvious.
I'd argue it's an indicator of improved recruiting. I and others contend that 2016 marks the beginning of an upward trend in Iowa's recruiting
Hock, Hooker, and Fant we're each a part of that class.
As long as we keep evaluating and recruiting at this level, we'll be okay.