Did Tua, Bama QB, eye poke a bulldog late in the game???

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uihawk82

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It was a big first down run late in the game, it sure looked like Tua put his fingers into the guys facemask cage. I usually dont make this stuff up but it was chippy or beyond chippy down there at times. I am going to try to find a replay of it.

Anyone else notice?

I thought that Bama guy maybe # 48 should have been tossed. It is one thing to hit a guy late with a block or tackle but punches should be ejections. Then he went on this baby tirade on the sidelines. Grow up .
 




Bob sanders got his eye gouged in the orange bowl against USC. Later in the game as they were going to a commercial they showed a USC player on the side line with his head back and they were applying ice to a swollen eye.
 




uihawk82 said:
It was a big first down run late in the game, it sure looked like Tua put his fingers into the guys facemask cage. I usually dont make this stuff up but it was chippy or beyond chippy down there at times. I am going to try to find a replay of it.

Anyone else notice?

I thought that Bama guy maybe # 48 should have been tossed. It is one thing to hit a guy late with a block or tackle but punches should be ejections. Then he went on this baby tirade on the sidelines. Grow up .
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He went back in the game and clothslined a dude, and it didn't get called. I used only hate Alabama for petty reasons, as they're usually well disciplined, but last night was bad.

I've lost all respect for that program and for the CFP for allowing them in the playoffs.
 








BVHawk95 said:
He went back in the game and clothslined a dude, and it didn't get called. I used only hate Alabama for petty reasons, as they're usually well disciplined, but last night was bad.

I've lost all respect for that program and for the CFP for allowing them in the playoffs.
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He tackled the guy around the upper chest, not neck. Nick has a disciplined team - they just weren't used to playing from behind. 48 was merely showing emotion - that is the difference between championship football and finishing middle of the pack in the Big Ten West.

In terms of Bama being in the playoff, the stage for that was set last year. The minute they put OSU in over PSU, it was clear where this was heading. The precedent was established for a non conference champ to get in and it was only a matter of time (one year) until they decided to recognize the superiority of the top SEC programs by putting two into the four team playoff.
 


BVHawk95 said:
I've lost all respect for that program and for the CFP for allowing them in the playoffs.
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They’re the best team in college football by ten miles, and they’re only going to get better.

Kind of hard to leave them out of a playoff.
 


okeefe4prez said:
He tackled the guy around the upper chest, not neck. Nick has a disciplined team - they just weren't used to playing from behind. 48 was merely showing emotion - that is the difference between championship football and finishing middle of the pack in the Big Ten West.

In terms of Bama being in the playoff, the stage for that was set last year. The minute they put OSU in over PSU, it was clear where this was heading. The precedent was established for a non conference champ to get in and it was only a matter of time (one year) until they decided to recognize the superiority of the top SEC programs by putting two into the four team playoff.
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It's one thing for a non champ to get in the playoff with a tough schedule like OSU had and represent their conference but I feel like it's apples and oranges when a team doesn't play in the championship, plays a shit schedule and already has a conference rep.
 


BryceC said:
Honest question, who should have been in over them?
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UCF proved they belong after beating Auburn, so while that is hindsight, they easily could have competed. Simply comparing resumes, even OSU had more of an argument to be in. And before you ask, no, I don't think OSU should have been in last year. The committee has been quoted as saying a conference championship is one of the most important factors, yet they have shown that they really don't care about their own criteria. So yeah, maybe my grievance is more against the committee, but I digress.
Fryowa said:
They’re the best team in college football by ten miles, and they’re only going to get better.

Kind of hard to leave them out of a playoff.
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I'm gonna go on a bit of a rant here, but the "best team" crap needs to stop. You don't award somebody a win at the end of the game because they were the "best team" even though they got outscored, so why do we consider it okay to do that when it comes to a championship? If we used that logic, our win over OSU wouldn't count since they were the "best team", or Auburn's win over Bama, or UCF's win, etc.

Yeah, a lot of that is moot, since Bama did win, but I'd argue they had an advantage in playing a familiar opponent in Georgia, who they have years' worth of film on. I just would like to see this kind of thinking go away in the future.

Bama had their shot against Auburn and blew it. They were rewarded for losing their division, and handed a bye into the playoffs. It totally undermines the spirit of competition, by allowing certain teams to stumble and still come out on top, when you know most other teams in college football would not be awarded that luxury.
 






BVHawk95 said:
I'm gonna go on a bit of a rant here, but the "best team" crap needs to stop. You don't award somebody a win at the end of the game because they were the "best team" even though they got outscored, so why do we consider it okay to do that when it comes to a championship? If we used that logic, our win over OSU wouldn't count since they were the "best team", or Auburn's win over Bama, or UCF's win, etc.

Yeah, a lot of that is moot, since Bama did win, but I'd argue they had an advantage in playing a familiar opponent in Georgia, who they have years' worth of film on. I just would like to see this kind of thinking go away in the future.

Bama had their shot against Auburn and blew it. They were rewarded for losing their division, and handed a bye into the playoffs. It totally undermines the spirit of competition, by allowing certain teams to stumble and still come out on top, when you know most other teams in college football would not be awarded that luxury.
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Rant if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they have, and will continue to get the best players in the nation. They have 3 times as many 5 star players on their roster as the next team, and you know very well that if all FBS teams played every other FBS team, Alabama would be at the top of the pile when it was done. Success leads to better recruits, which leads to more success, especially with the staff and money they have now.

Look, I hate Alabama with a passion. Hate 'em. But to say that they aren't the best football team in the country when they literally have their pick of the litter nationwide, Nick Saban as a coach (who I'd love to see fail, btw), unlimited money, 5 titles in 9 years, and are 125-14 in the last ten years is stupid. I'm sorry, it is. And I suspect you feel the same way but hate them enough not to admit it.

If you still do feel the same way, then enlighten us as to what team is better.
 
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Fryowa said:
Rant if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they have, and will continue to get the best players in the nation. They have 3 times as many 5 star players on their roster as the next team, and you know very well that if all FBS teams played every other FBS team, Alabama would be at the top of the pile when it was done. Success leads to better recruits, which leads to more success, especially with the staff and money they have now.

Look, I hate Alabama with a passion. Hate 'em. But to say that they aren't the best football team in the country when they literally have their pick of the litter nationwide, Nick Saban as a coach (who I'd love to see fail, btw), unlimited money, 5 titles in 9 years, and are 125-14 in the last ten years is stupid. I'm sorry, it is. And I suspect you feel the same way but hate them enough not to admit it.

If you still do feel the same way, then enlighten us as to what team is better.
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I'm not arguing with Alabama being "the best", they are without a doubt. I'm arguing that if we base placement in the playoff on who we think is the best, and not on their actual resume and whether or not they earned the right to be in the playoff, then what is the point of the playoff? Why even make Alabama play the games if we know they're "the best"?

Right now, it's the BCS with a human element rather than a computer one, and two extra spots. Not much has changed.
 


BVHawk95 said:
I'm not arguing with Alabama being "the best", they are without a doubt. I'm arguing that if we base placement in the playoff on who we think is the best, and not on their actual resume and whether or not they earned the right to be in the playoff, then what is the point of the playoff? Why even make Alabama play the games if we know they're "the best"?

Right now, it's the BCS with a human element rather than a computer one, and two extra spots. Not much has changed.
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Well, your post above quoted me and said the "'best team' crap needs to stop."

That's what I responded to.

The only solution to your problem of playoff placement is to have qualifying criteria, In my meaningless opinion it should be the P5 winners followed by the best 3 records in the other conferences w/ tiebreakers.

No, Alabama wouldn't have gotten in under that system, but they are still the most talented and "best" team in college football.
 


Fryowa said:
Well, your post above quoted me and said the "'best team' crap needs to stop."

That's what I responded to.

The only solution to your problem of playoff placement is to have qualifying criteria, In my meaningless opinion it should be the P5 winners followed by the best 3 records in the other conferences w/ tiebreakers.

No, Alabama wouldn't have gotten in under that system, but they are still the most talented and "best" team in college football.
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I guess I could have used a better term, but yes that is what I was going for. And I agree, 8 teams with 5 automatic qualifiers and 3 at large spots would be best imo as well.

Automatic qualifiers is the standard in each of the other NCAA sports, so it's time for D1 football to catch up.
 


Ree4 said:
It's one thing for a non champ to get in the playoff with a tough schedule like OSU had and represent their conference but I feel like it's apples and oranges when a team doesn't play in the championship, plays a shit schedule and already has a conference rep.
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Whoa, Bama played FSU week 1. FSU was like #1 or 2 at the time of the game. Bama crushed FSU's QB, but was winning the game before that. Notwithstanding how bad FSU tanked with their backup QB, that was a better win than anyone in the Big Ten had out of conference. Hell, looking back on how things shook out, Iowa's win at Iowa State was probably the best win the conference had until bowl season kicked off.
 


I say don't make the CFL committee try to decide inter-conference rankings. Georgia vs Auburn vs Alabama, etc.

Each conference should have the responsibility to establish for themselves who their "best" team is from their conference. Even if they are unsure themselves.

Let the conferences themselves nominate one team on whatever criteria they want (including eye tests if they would like). Push this drama back into the conferences where they arise. I'm sure it'll get fixed a lot faster that way. See Big 12 adding a championship game...

And while Alabama may have been the best team when playing Georgia, they weren't when they played Auburn.

To me, if would be as if North Carolina lost in the sweet 16, but were still included in the final 4 because they are clearly one of the 4 top best teams. And we leave out the team from the toughest bracket, because of the eye test.
 


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