Kirk haters beware...

[trj]

Frankly I think it's idiotic for anyone to say that he would have trouble getting assistant coaches to come work for him. The guy has connections everywhere. He would be able to put together a solid team of coaches.

I have no idea why Arvada and GrandpaHawk among others are acting like this would be such a huge stretch. He's been around football his entire life. He knows football arguably better than anyone else his age. What positions he has or hasn't held in the past really has little to do with it. He has the demeanor, the mindset, and the leadership capabilities that it takes to be a head coach. I guarantee you if Iowa doesn't hire him to be one some day then someone else will. I'm not saying he's going to be Iowa's head coach. I'm not even saying that he necessarily deserves it, but what I am saying is that if he were to be given the job I would trust that he was given it because EVERYONE in and around the program believed he was ready for it. I would trust them a hell of a lot more than I would trust some loudmouth on a message board demanding that he get at least 5 years of experience as an OC.

Exactly............Some people have to follow a script and do it the way it always have been done. They would rather have Bobby Diaco instead of Brian Ferentz just because he has more "experience". Somehow BD would have it all figured out.

 

[trj]

Brian ferentz needs to show he can run the show at a smaller school before he is even thought of to be iowas head coach. I don't care if he's been around ball his whole life. Their's way too many moving parts to learn on the job especially in a market like iowa which gets so much media attention.

That is the reason why your football program is dogcrap.....Iowa St. needs someone thinking outside the box instead of doing the same ole crap and getting the same ole results. ISU fan are the last people on the planet that know what a good football coach looks like.

 

[DP5555]

Brian ferentz needs to show he can run the show at a smaller school before he is even thought of to be iowas head coach. I don't care if he's been around ball his whole life. Their's way too many moving parts to learn on the job especially in a market like iowa which gets so much media attention.

You don't think he realizes this? I mean his Dad has been the head coach for a long time. You act like he'd be jumping out of a plane without a parachute. He's as prepared as anyone for the complexity and attention that comes with the position. In fact, he would know the specifics of the Iowa position better than anyone else.

You're making it way too complicated.It really isn't that complicated. I'm sure there would be some growing pains, but there would be with anyone new to the position. Being the head coach at a freakin' MAC school for a few years isn't really going to teach him anything that he doesn't already know from the experiences he's already had thus far in his life.

You lead. You recruit. You develop. You hold your players and coaches to high expectations. You fulfill your media obligations, and you deal with all the petty BS that pops up when you're in charge of 100 or more college kids. Is it easy? No, of course not, but it isn't that complicated either. You're either cut out for it or your not, and I have zero reason to believe he isn't cut out for it.

 

[BigD]

I have too many alts to post under my real name.

Lol, ok that made me laugh.

 

[lightning1]

A) Why is everyone assuming KF is retiring tomorrow he will be at Iowa at least til 2020 and he may even be here beyond that. At that time BF will be in his mid to late 30's.

B)When did coaching in the MAC become the solution to everything? You come get me in 5 years and tell me how Matt Campbell worked out?

C) Those inherent disadvantages you describe are the very reason why you hire BF. Who are you going to bring in who will know this state better than BF?

D) There are million different ways to build connections and/or relationships. You mean to tell me he doesn't have a list of guys in his head or on a ipad of guys he wants to bring in if/when he gets the job? Of course he does.

E) BF could very well crash and burn at Iowa. This idea of following some script or some formula of you need X amount of experience here or need to be a HC there seems dumb to me. If BF fails it will not be because he missed out coaching at Kent St.

You brought a lot of straw men for your argument.
A. It makes no difference when KF retires. That won't impact the lack of coaching network that BF has.
B. I never said he needed to coach in the MAC, so save that crap for the person that posted it.
C. I'm sure you can name a lot of successful Head Coaches that jumped right into P5 jobs and never skipped a beat. I won't ask you to name 20 off of your extensive list. Just give me 4 or 5.
Thanks.

 

[HawkInATX]

If "BF" stood for Brian Fry, some of these posters would sing a different tune. Their resistance to it is that they have some deep-seated dislike of Kirk and all things Ferentz, meaning they can't objectively look at anything related to them.

 

[DP5555]

Nah I just realized Arvada is a troll after seeing his post in the Frank Darby thread. Makes more sense now.

 

[trj]

You brought a lot of straw men for your argument.
A. It makes no difference when KF retires. That won't impact the lack of coaching network that BF has.
B. I never said he needed to coach in the MAC, so save that crap for the person that posted it.
C. I'm sure you can name a lot of successful Head Coaches that jumped right into P5 jobs and never skipped a beat. I won't ask you to name 20 off of your extensive list. Just give me 4 or 5.
Thanks.

Do you actually understand what a straw men argument is?

I've been on Hawkeyenation message boards for a long time i think you are a bright dude, but if you think BF hasn't developed relationships and/or built up connections then you are an idiot. Sorry, you just are.

Coaches that jumped right into power 5 jobs:

Pat Fitzgerald
Bret Bieliema
Chip Kelly/Mark Helfrich
Mark Richt/Kirby Smart(We will see how that turns out)

DP555 is a 1000% correct you guys are waaay over thinking this.

 

[lightning1]

Do you actually understand what a straw men argument is?

I've been on Hawkeyenation message boards for a long time i think you are a bright dude, but if you think BF hasn't developed relationships and/or built up connections then you are an idiot. Sorry, you just are.

Coaches that jumped right into power 5 jobs:

Pat Fitzgerald
Bret Bieliema
Chip Kelly/Mark Helfrich
Mark Richt/Kirby Smart(We will see how that turns out)

DP555 is a 1000% correct you guys are waaay over thinking this.

Bret Bielema DID NOT!!! Now who's the idiot? Assistant under Fry, Assistant under KF, Assistant under Schnieder. Assistant/DC under Alverez. That's 3 different P5 programs and 3 Hall of Famer Head Coaches.
Pat Fitzgerald is 70-56 as a Head Coach. That's ASS! Get a clue.
You cannot possibly know how good other coaches are, how they may or may not fit your own phil/scheme, what there work ethic is, unless you see it first hand or you absolutely trust their current employer's recommendation. It's not that easy. You might want to argue that it is.....but you're wrong. Otherwise, people like Kaz, Zook, Brewster and hundreds of others would still have Head Coaching jobs.

 

[Kennyfromminne]

That is the reason why your football program is dogcrap.....Iowa St. needs someone thinking outside the box instead of doing the same ole crap and getting the same ole results. ISU fan are the last people on the planet that know what a good football coach looks like.

Do you get off on calling people cyclone fans?

 

[Kennyfromminne]

You don't think he realizes this? I mean his Dad has been the head coach for a long time. You act like he'd be jumping out of a plane without a parachute. He's as prepared as anyone for the complexity and attention that comes with the position. In fact, he would know the specifics of the Iowa position better than anyone else.

You're making it way too complicated.It really isn't that complicated. I'm sure there would be some growing pains, but there would be with anyone new to the position. Being the head coach at a freakin' MAC school for a few years isn't really going to teach him anything that he doesn't already know from the experiences he's already had thus far in his life.

You lead. You recruit. You develop. You hold your players and coaches to high expectations. You fulfill your media obligations, and you deal with all the petty BS that pops up when you're in charge of 100 or more college kids. Is it easy? No, of course not, but it isn't that complicated either. You're either cut out for it or your not, and I have zero reason to believe he isn't cut out for it.

I agree with a lot of what you said. Although I have no reason to belive he is cut out for it. Isn't that a valid concern?

 

[lightning1]

Exactly............Some people have to follow a script and do it the way it always have been done. They would rather have Bobby Diaco instead of Brian Ferentz just because he has more "experience". Somehow BD would have it all figured out.

I'm not overly impressed with Diaco's career either.

 

[trj]

Bret Bielema DID NOT!!! Now who's the idiot? Assistant under Fry, Assistant under KF, Assistant under Schnieder. Assistant/DC under Alverez. That's 3 different P5 programs and 3 Hall of Famer Head Coaches.
Pat Fitzgerald is 70-56 as a Head Coach. That's ASS! Get a clue.
You cannot possibly know how good other coaches are, how they may or may not fit your own phil/scheme, what there work ethic is, unless you see it first hand or you absolutely trust their current employer's recommendation. It's not that easy. You might want to argue that it is.....but you're wrong. Otherwise, people like Kaz, Zook, Brewster and hundreds of others would still have Head Coaching jobs.

Are you drunk now? You are all over the place with your argument and you are making up the rules as you go along. Anyway, if you think BF has to be 50 years old and coached in a bunch of places before he is ready and/or qualified to take the Iowa job then your thinking is outdated and backwards. If it is the nepotism or the supposed nepotism that bothers you then just admit it.

 

[trj]

Do you get off on calling people cyclone fans?

At my advance age it still takes a decent looking chick to get me off. Labeling a person a troll or a cyclone fan doesn't quite do it for me. Either you are a Cyclone fan or you are 12 . If you are both I apologize......If you are not I apologize as well.

 

[lightning1]

Are you drunk now? You are all over the place with your argument and you are making up the rules as you go along. Anyway, if you think BF has to be 50 years old and coached in a bunch of places before he is ready and/or qualified to take the Iowa job then your thinking is outdated and backwards. If it is the nepotism or the supposed nepotism that bothers you then just admit it.[/
When you're getting obliterated in an argument, accuse the other person of being drunk? Got it.
You must be cooking meth in your bath tub again because your reading comp sucks.
I have no problem with BF being on the coaching staff. I simply stated my opinion of the chances of him having success if he gets handed the Head Coaching gig when KF retires. That argument is based on the fact that he has one coaching tree to draw fro and limited experience working with other assistant coaches.
You intellectual midgets always think it's personal when it comes to any opinion of a Ferentz that isn't glowing. You should get over that or be more careful who you project that garbage onto. You might not look so foolish.

 

[lightning1]

Are you drunk now? You are all over the place with your argument and you are making up the rules as you go along. Anyway, if you think BF has to be 50 years old and coached in a bunch of places before he is ready and/or qualified to take the Iowa job then your thinking is outdated and backwards. If it is the nepotism or the supposed nepotism that bothers you then just admit it.

When you're getting obliterated in an argument, accuse the other person of being drunk? Got it.
You must be cooking meth in your bath tub again because your reading comp sucks.
I have no problem with BF being on the coaching staff. I simply stated my opinion of the chances of him having success if he gets handed the Head Coaching gig when KF retires. That argument is based on the fact that he has one coaching tree to draw fro and limited experience working with other assistant coaches.
You intellectual midgets always think it's personal when it comes to any opinion of a Ferentz that isn't glowing. You should get over that or be more careful who you project that garbage onto. You might not look so foolish.[/QUOTE]

 

[DP5555]

I agree with a lot of what you said. Although I have no reason to belive he is cut out for it. Isn't that a valid concern?

Wouldn't it be a valid concern if he went to a MAC program and then came back? I can't and won't speak for anyone else, but any hire is a risk. BF leaving to take a low level promotion vs staying and eventually being promoted is a wash to me.

I actually think the benefits of him staying in the program that he may eventually take over are better than the benefits of him going elsewhere to take a promotion and get a different experience. At least when he's in Iowa City he has a vested interest in the players, recruiting, the other coaches, his relationship with University personnel, boosters, fans, and media. He's getting coaching experience at the B10 level. He's studying film of the programs that he may end up facing as a head coach. He's sharpening his teeth at the level that he'd be coaching at.

Going to the MAC or somewhere similar... the only advantage of that is he would have the opportunity to prove himself as a head coach for a few years. Which is absolutely a good experience. I don't disagree with that, but when I compare it to the benefits of him staying in Iowa City my opinion is still that it's a wash.

I listen to the guy speak and he just has that "it" factor. There's not really any other way to describe it. Yes I'm absolutely biased, but I don't have the same reaction after hearing Greg Davis or Phil Parker handle a press conference. To me they sound like football minds. They sound like coordinators. Brian sounds like a head coach, and I firmly believe he will be one. I hope he has that chance in Iowa City because I think he'll be a good one.

 

[trj]

It is just a dumb debate in the middle the May. If you actually thinking you are winning it, whatever makes you feel better about yourself, bruh. No one is winning because you are not making any salient points and your arguments are all over the freaking map. You are the only one that thinks BF is limited to just one coaching tree and this idea of needing to work with a bunch of other assistants is just stupid. So what is the magic number? 2, 6,150?

What is with you lately, man? These asinine debates you get into this is a carbon copy of the one you had about FM three weeks ago.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Please expound on what you feel is wrong with my comment. And please provide Pat Fitzgerald's quote where he disagree's with whichever part of my comment you feel he disagree's with.

Not even sure where to go with that. My point is that your arbitrary "requirements" are just that: arbitrary.

I guess I needed a sarcasm emoji on the Fitzgerald comment. But see his resume...

 

[DP5555]

Bret Bielema DID NOT!!! Now who's the idiot? Assistant under Fry, Assistant under KF, Assistant under Schnieder. Assistant/DC under Alverez. That's 3 different P5 programs and 3 Hall of Famer Head Coaches.
Pat Fitzgerald is 70-56 as a Head Coach. That's ASS! Get a clue.
You cannot possibly know how good other coaches are, how they may or may not fit your own phil/scheme, what there work ethic is, unless you see it first hand or you absolutely trust their current employer's recommendation. It's not that easy. You might want to argue that it is.....but you're wrong. Otherwise, people like Kaz, Zook, Brewster and hundreds of others would still have Head Coaching jobs.

Pat Fitzgerald would be hired in a nanosecond by many elite programs in search for a coach. There's no doubt about that. He's 70-56 partly because he coaches at Northwestern. It's his alma mater. He's passionate about it. It's where he wants to be. He's had opportunities to go elsewhere, and if he ever decides that he wants to he'd have great offers in a heartbeat.