How good of a job is Iowa?

Hawkfnntn

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Simple question. But I don't think it's that simple of an answer. Lets start here. What's KFs over under for time left? To that I say 2 years 3 tops. The odds are pretty low he'll be around to see this last recruiting class graduate. And any less than that wouldn't surprise me if say Iowa lays an egg this year either.
There will probably be an overall house cleaning of the athletic department once a new President is hired so that's a huge question mark at this point who'll be running the show come that time.

Lets rattle off the tangible positives. Conference it's not only in the BIG but they are in the West and it should always be a more manageable then the East and other conferences. The new football building, Kinnick being what it is. And lets not forget the most important ones that tie together, Job security and money. Iowa doesn't like to fire people and they'll over pay you if your good or at least in high demand. Iowa didn't break the bank for KF right away but for a big name coach I'm sure they wouldn't be stingy. The fan base being what it's always been you'd think Iowa should be a great gig but it'll be very very interesting what route is taken for when they replace KF due what kind of shape it'll be in and who'll be doing the hiring. I don't see Stoops or Bret B coming to "save" the day. I think timing is everything in this kind of deal and I don't think either of them will be in a position where they'd want to take on a rebuilding job which is what Iowa will be... And I don't see Brian Ferentz getting it if KF is leaving before he wants to for obvious reasons. So I'm not sure Iowa would go after let alone get a big name to coach here either. Although the positives all add up to that Iowa should have coaches tripping over each other for it I'm just not so sure how that'll play out. I'm curious what you all think as far as how do other coaches look at the Iowa program and how will they look at it whenever it opens up?
 


Any job that is willing to pay $4 million a year for around 7 wins a year is a pretty good job.
 


The University of Iowa is the best place to be a student athlete, employee or coach. As far as the current coach goes he actually has a contract through 2020. So I would not be so worried about him leaving before that time, that would mean that he will be there when the last class graduates. We can all enjoy the coaching stability that few programs can. The current recruits need not worry either. He has had offers from the NFL, but he has showed loyalty to the Iowa program. He is not exactly an old man yet so I would not rule out the possibility that he will coach past 2020 too. So the strong 2017 class should be secure too.
 


You never have to worry about getting fired. Top facilities, fan base is great when you win some games. Profitable school. It is a very good job.
 


You never have to worry about getting fired. Top facilities, fan base is great when you win some games. Profitable school. It is a very good job.

Totally agree. So what are the reasons great coaches wouldn't come here? And I'm not meaning to single you out just in general to everyone. Is it that it's Iowa and recruiting is tougher? The climate? Of course timing can be the end all be all for some guys but Iowa's not going to get a guy like Harbaugh to come coach there. Most coaching jobs are based off of prior relationships be it Meyer with being from Ohio, Harbaugh being a Michigan alum, Saban who chased the money/best school he could get to would be an exception. I would have said Nebraska and Wisconsin are right up as being great jobs too if not better then Iowa in some ways, yet look at the recent hires they just made. Wiskys hire didn't make waves in the college football world yet may end up being a good one and many people think Nebraska hiring Riley just didn't fit or make sense.

So I'm just not sure what we should expect.
 


The University of Iowa is the best place to be a student athlete, employee or coach. As far as the current coach goes he actually has a contract through 2020. So I would not be so worried about him leaving before that time, that would mean that he will be there when the last class graduates. We can all enjoy the coaching stability that few programs can. The current recruits need not worry either. He has had offers from the NFL, but he has showed loyalty to the Iowa program. He is not exactly an old man yet so I would not rule out the possibility that he will coach past 2020 too. So the strong 2017 class should be secure too.
I bet you can't get many people to agree with you on KF coaching out his contract.... He will have to win no less then 8 games the next 2 years and still have Barta as his boss for that to be the case and once the new President is hired I think Bartas days are numbered... And we all know ADs want to hire their own coaches so if KF doesn't have this program at least in the rankings and more then respectable in a couple years he'll be on the hot seat and asked to retire or be fired... Yes KF isn't leaving for the NFL or another gig that's not even remotely what anyone thinks would happen anymore. There isn't an NFL team that'd want him for anything other then an Oline coach now.

Honestly I think so much weighs on this year. If they go on to win 9 or 10 games this year everything points towards your line of thinking or at least a lot closer to it. But if they win only 6 or even 7..... You'll have Kinnick with a lot of empty seats and the pressure will be high.
 




I don't think Bartas job is in jeopardy just because we're getting a new president, and unless KF totally tanks this year I would wager he's here until his contract is up or he decides to walk away.
 


i can think of a couple good candidates that may be ready to take over in 2018

Bobby Diaco - former Iowa player and current head coach at Uconn, just got done with his first year, so its too soon to tell if he is a good head coach but 2017 will be his 4th year at UConn and by then he will either be fired if he is bad, or ready to move up if he turns Uconn around.

Tom Herman -former OC at Iowa St and Ohio St. and brand new head coach at Houston. same deal as Diaco. we should know by end of 2017 if he is any good and he knows what its like to coach in the state of Iowa, also in the BigTen and also on a national championship team.
 




Iowa's not going to hire a big name coach to replace KF. I would bet they would look for a candidate who's 35-40 years old who's at a mid level program that's going in the right direction and I would guess they'll start him at 1.5 to 2 million a year. Just my opinion.
 




nick said------'We can all enjoy the coaching stability that few programs can.

And why exactly is that important right now with the football program? Either Jon or Deace...can't remember which... had it dead nuts on when they said that staff at Iowa no matter how terrible they are simply get reassigned....not fired. Keeping a stubborn and overpaid coach for eternity just so you can claim to be stable is asinine.
 
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Just a second I have Kirk Ferentz on the line, "what's that Kirk, why is it tough?

"Yes, that's right, it's a small state with alot of white people...got it".

"Oh, ok, so our mascot is kind of lame compared to Bucky Beaver, Sparty, and Brutus...um...ok...that hurts us...that's a bit baffling, but ok."

"Iowa can't compete in other geographies because most inner city kids are spooked by the 'Children of the Corn' movie...wow...never hear that one Kirk."
 


I think Doc is spot on. Iowa brings in a guy for about 2 mil a year, and then bumps the pay when he wins. Like guffus said, if Diaco wins at UCONN and then he would be the next Iowa head man.
 


I bet you can't get many people to agree with you on KF coaching out his contract.... He will have to win no less then 8 games the next 2 years and still have Barta as his boss for that to be the case and once the new President is hired I think Bartas days are numbered... And we all know ADs want to hire their own coaches so if KF doesn't have this program at least in the rankings and more then respectable in a couple years he'll be on the hot seat and asked to retire or be fired... Yes KF isn't leaving for the NFL or another gig that's not even remotely what anyone thinks would happen anymore. There isn't an NFL team that'd want him for anything other then an Oline coach now.

Honestly I think so much weighs on this year. If they go on to win 9 or 10 games this year everything points towards your line of thinking or at least a lot closer to it. But if they win only 6 or even 7..... You'll have Kinnick with a lot of empty seats and the pressure will be high.
Next Iowa AD is Kirk Ferentz. Mark it down, you heard it here first
 


Totally agree. So what are the reasons great coaches wouldn't come here? And I'm not meaning to single you out just in general to everyone. Is it that it's Iowa and recruiting is tougher? The climate? Of course timing can be the end all be all for some guys but Iowa's not going to get a guy like Harbaugh to come coach there. Most coaching jobs are based off of prior relationships be it Meyer with being from Ohio, Harbaugh being a Michigan alum, Saban who chased the money/best school he could get to would be an exception. I would have said Nebraska and Wisconsin are right up as being great jobs too if not better then Iowa in some ways, yet look at the recent hires they just made. Wiskys hire didn't make waves in the college football world yet may end up being a good one and many people think Nebraska hiring Riley just didn't fit or make sense.

So I'm just not sure what we should expect.

I think it takes a certain type to "want" to coach Iowa. I couldn't see a Meyer/Saban/Tressel type at all. Bielema and Stoops both played here, so they know the landscape.

Look at Raveling and Lute leaving the way(s) they did. They didn't like the "fish bowl", and Raveling wanted more of a "big city" atmosphere.

The population base is small. Chicago is a tough nut to recruit without some connections. Pretty much any "hotbed" for recruiting has several "home" schools in the area. We have, over the years, had to really work very hard for the best recruiting years, and let's face it, any high-end recruits that verbal are sitting ducks for the higher-profile programs to pick off late in the game, if not earlier.

Hayden was successful, in part, because of a Texas "connection", and Kirk's best classes haven't exactly been dominated by "locals", though our best home-grown recruits have been crucial. We've pulled from all over--and had to--whereas lots of coaches could probably recruit without a plane in their arsenal.

It isn't a daunting task to find the next "good coach", maybe, but I would disagree with those who think there are proven, high-profile coaches just waiting for the job to open up, save Stoops or Bielema. Stoops, IMO, is probably not that interested, and Bielema may be a tight window depending on how things shake out at Arkansas.

I also wonder how the big money would feel about a loudmouth, innovator type.

Let's not forget, D'Antonio cited Iowa as the type of program he wanted to shoot for at MSU. Bielema routinely went after our commits. But I can't remember the last time we "stole" a Michigan or O$U recruit, unless James Daniels counts. We did get Weinke, I guess, when Michigan hired RichRod.

Iowa is a good job, for sure. But any one of us could rattle off 30 schools with just as much draw, coach-wise.
 


I think it takes a certain type to "want" to coach Iowa. I couldn't see a Meyer/Saban/Tressel type at all. Bielema and Stoops both played here, so they know the landscape.

Look at Raveling and Lute leaving the way(s) they did. They didn't like the "fish bowl", and Raveling wanted more of a "big city" atmosphere.

The population base is small. Chicago is a tough nut to recruit without some connections. Pretty much any "hotbed" for recruiting has several "home" schools in the area. We have, over the years, had to really work very hard for the best recruiting years, and let's face it, any high-end recruits that verbal are sitting ducks for the higher-profile programs to pick off late in the game, if not earlier.

Hayden was successful, in part, because of a Texas "connection", and Kirk's best classes haven't exactly been dominated by "locals", though our best home-grown recruits have been crucial. We've pulled from all over--and had to--whereas lots of coaches could probably recruit without a plane in their arsenal.

It isn't a daunting task to find the next "good coach", maybe, but I would disagree with those who think there are proven, high-profile coaches just waiting for the job to open up, save Stoops or Bielema. Stoops, IMO, is probably not that interested, and Bielema may be a tight window depending on how things shake out at Arkansas.

I also wonder how the big money would feel about a loudmouth, innovator type.

Let's not forget, D'Antonio cited Iowa as the type of program he wanted to shoot for at MSU. Bielema routinely went after our commits. But I can't remember the last time we "stole" a Michigan or O$U recruit, unless James Daniels counts. We did get Weinke, I guess, when Michigan hired RichRod.

Iowa is a good job, for sure. But any one of us could rattle off 30 schools with just as much draw, coach-wise.


I was with you for awhile and then I just started laughing. I noticed that nearly every "paragraph" had a word in quotes". I imagined you sitting in your living room using air quotes as you shared your "opinion".



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I was with you for awhile and then I just started laughing. I noticed that nearly every "paragraph" had a word in quotes". I imagined you sitting in your living room using air quotes as you shared your "opinion".



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It's "easier" to do to get your point across when you "can't" figure out how to use the "difficult" multi-quote feature correctly.

No one said English majors were the "smartest" people around.
 


i guess a couple wild card candidates might be Belima at Ark or Mark Stoops at Kentucky. they may decide that ultimately the SEC is the best place to be, or they may decide the SEC is too hard and may make a move to Iowa before they get fired.
 




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