Willies headed to Mizzou?

If Willies prospers at MU it will be another red flag against kfootball. While Willies boxed kfootball into a corner by quitting mid-season, it should have never gotten to that point. My goodness, Vandeburg and McCarron were getting reps instead of Willies. Is kfootball really that stubborn? I know, that's a rhetorical question. kfootball proved once and for all, last season, that he absolutely will play the less talented player if that player is a robotic fit that will perpetuate his outdated offensive philosophy.
I couldn't care less if Willies prospers elsewhere.

When he was here, he was a prima donna cry baby who abandoned his team because he thought he should be playing more, instead of buckling down, working harder, and earning the time on the field like most other contributing players do.

Maybe by leaving, he learned his lesson and won't make the same mistake again. If so, good for him. But that doesn't mean he'd have been successful here had he stayed.
 


People need to learn that when Kirk is the coach it's pointless to use stats to judge players. For instance, there was a play last year where Willies and Powell both lined up on the same side of the field. I thought "this should be fun". It wasn't fun. They went deep to the other side of the field to Vandy. When that is the genius minds of the guys walking the sidelines, you probably aren't going to rack up the stats you are capable of.

The reason i liked Willies is he had the ability to make tough catches while maintaining body control. Guys like KMM go to the ground when they catch balls that aren't thrown into the bread basket. Hard to get YAC that way, which is kinda important in this offense.
 


Yeah, he totally blew away Iowa's terrible secondary last year in the SPRING GAME. EVERYONE played at a high level against our secondary last year. Not meaning to bag on the kid at all, but he didn't do much of anything with the PT he did get. He had a TD against Ball State? That's the sample size we are using to assess his high level of talent? Iowa's secondary and Ball State. Got it.

If I see him tearing it up for Mizzou I'm not gonna be happy about it sure, but he did quit on the team. IMO, if he doesn't want to be a Hawk, then don't let the door hit you in the ace as you leave.

And yes, it is blind hatred for KF that drives most posters on here.

If you really don't think he should have been ahead of Mcaron, Vandeburg and Hillyer then wow, I don't know what to tell you.
 


I couldn't care less if Willies prospers elsewhere.

When he was here, he was a prima donna cry baby who abandoned his team because he thought he should be playing more, instead of buckling down, working harder, and earning the time on the field like most other contributing players do.

Maybe by leaving, he learned his lesson and won't make the same mistake again. If so, good for him. But that doesn't mean he'd have been successful here had he stayed.


I totally agree with this. You think CJ wasn't frustrated? You think Spearman liked losing his starting gig and seeing a diminished role? You think every last 2nd team player wants to be sitting on the sidelines?

Instead of quitting, you give it your all and compete. Competition isn't about "fairness". This isn't the pee wee league, and you go home crying to mom that the coach is so mean and doesn't play me when I deserve to be playing. Finish the season, get better and transfer out if you want, but don't quit in the middle of the season because poor little baby isn't playing as much as he wants.
 


I totally agree with this. You think CJ wasn't frustrated? You think Spearman liked losing his starting gig and seeing a diminished role? You think every last 2nd team player wants to be sitting on the sidelines?

Instead of quitting, you give it your all and compete. Competition isn't about "fairness". This isn't the pee wee league, and you go home crying to mom that the coach is so mean and doesn't play me when I deserve to be playing. Finish the season, get better and transfer out if you want, but don't quit in the middle of the season because poor little baby isn't playing as much as he wants.

So it's decided then that his dad being sick had nothing to do with it?
 


He did quit the team and I think kfootball was right in making it almost too difficult to come back to the team. That is one part of that discussion. Another part is "why" did he quit? I believe he absolutely showed a very high level of talent; more talent than all other receivers, even perhaps T. Smith, but T. Smith is very talented. So, to me DW and CJ were in the same boat; they both should have been playing last season. CJ handled it correctly and DW didn't. But quitting the team doesn't discount the reason(s) he did and certainly doesn't reduce the amount of talent he has. The amount of talent he has, you find ways to get him on the field.

I think perhaps Kirks experience with DJK, where he did put up with a certain level of nonsense for a more talented guy, probably made him determined to never let it happen again.

problem is you're often going to have to put up with a certain level of character flaw with talented individuals. Iowas 2 best seasons in the last ten years don't happen without DJK.
 


So it's decided then that his dad being sick had nothing to do with it?

This didn't happen because of a sick family member and you know that PC. I mean Welsh has been gone for how long now dealing with a family situation. KF knows discretion, and if this were just about a family situation KF would have given Willies as much time as he needed. If you wanna try to bang the drum about this being about Willies dad go ahead, I"m not following you down that stupid rabbit hole.
 


I think perhaps Kirks experience with DJK, where he did put up with a certain level of nonsense for a more talented guy, probably made him determined to never let it happen again.

problem is you're often going to have to put up with a certain level of character flaw with talented individuals. Iowas 2 best seasons in the last ten years don't happen without DJK.


Yeah, you're right on both, I believe. But DJK more than helped us win a lot of games which clearly benefited Iowa and kfootball. If DW represents today's athlete, then Iowa and kfootball need to adjust, because, as far as we've heard, DW wasn't ever in any kind of trouble so his issues at Iowa were directly related to PT.
 






If Willies is good enough for Mizzou, does that mean Vandenberg, Hillyer, and Stone are all good enough for Mizzou since Kirk played them over Willies?
 


This didn't happen because of a sick family member and you know that PC. I mean Welsh has been gone for how long now dealing with a family situation. KF knows discretion, and if this were just about a family situation KF would have given Willies as much time as he needed. If you wanna try to bang the drum about this being about Willies dad go ahead, I"m not following you down that stupid rabbit hole.

I thought i knew it wasn't about a sick family member... until he wanted to come back to the same team with the same lack of playing time a few weeks later. I know kids change their minds all the time but to be so mad about playtime that you want to quit mid season, then want to come back so bad that you make up some BS excuse that your dad is going to move to iowa so you can stay? That story just doesn't make sense anymore.
 


A couple of things. First, until I see/hear a transcript of the conversation KF and this kid had about his ability to return to the team and why the kid obviously found unacceptable, whatever KF told him he had to do to return to the team, I am not going to judge either one of them. You can decide to make assumptions about either the kid or KF, but I am just not smart enough to do that.

Second, I have no idea if the lack of playing time afforded the kid was justified or not. I do know that the position coaches make those decisions; you can say KF makes them, but you would likely be wrong. KF has bigger fish to fry than who plays 1, 2, or 3 at a given position.

Finally, I do not wish this young man any ill will. I hope he goes to Missouri and has a satisfying career. I would, however, suggest that before you declare him a starter and a great success, you may want to take your own advice and wait until he accomplishes something. You are, after all, about results when it comes to KF and everybody else. Same rule applies for this young man.

I certainly mean no offense to those who hold strong, and possibly very correct positions on how this whole thing played out. Just be aware of what you can know; what you think you know, on the other hand, may be based on some assumptions for which you have little evidence.
 


A couple of things. First, until I see/hear a transcript of the conversation KF and this kid had about his ability to return to the team and why the kid obviously found unacceptable, whatever KF told him he had to do to return to the team, I am not going to judge either one of them. You can decide to make assumptions about either the kid or KF, but I am just not smart enough to do that.

Second, I have no idea if the lack of playing time afforded the kid was justified or not. I do know that the position coaches make those decisions; you can say KF makes them, but you would likely be wrong. KF has bigger fish to fry than who plays 1, 2, or 3 at a given position.

Finally, I do not wish this young man any ill will. I hope he goes to Missouri and has a satisfying career. I would, however, suggest that before you declare him a starter and a great success, you may want to take your own advice and wait until he accomplishes something. You are, after all, about results when it comes to KF and everybody else. Same rule applies for this young man.

I certainly mean no offense to those who hold strong, and possibly very correct positions on how this whole thing played out. Just be aware of what you can know; what you think you know, on the other hand, may be based on some assumptions for which you have little evidence.

Huck, I don't agree with what I've bolded from your post, though position coaches certainly would have some input. But if you are correct, the it is an indictment against the talent and abilities of the assistant coaches. So, why are they still here?
 




did his dad move to missouri?


Probably not since his son doesn't even live there yet. Ive heard a lot of people that were for sure goners from cancer and a year later they're doing great. No idea whats going on with his dad. All i know is leaving because you're unhappy with playing time, then fabricating a story about your sick dad so you can come back to the team coached by the same guy who you felt wasn't giving you a fair shot, makes no sense at all.
 


Why all the hand wringing? KF has never recruited All BIG talent at WR. Not in 18 years! McNutt is the only 1st team All BIG WR that he has had in KF's tenure and he was recruited as a QB.
 


Why all the hand wringing? KF has never recruited All BIG talent at WR. Not in 18 years! McNutt is the only 1st team All BIG WR that he has had in KF's tenure and he was recruited as a QB.


yet all his WRs hold all the receiving records at iowa.....even 'per game' so don't make it out to be 'played more games'....
 


yet all his WRs hold all the receiving records at iowa.....even 'per game' so don't make it out to be 'played more games'....

Good point but when looking at Fry's top 3 WRs: Dwight, Hughes, & Harmon. They all carved out NFL careers of several years (at least by NFL standards). Harmon was a hybrid RB/WR 3rd down back type and did a lot of working catching the ball. He probably would have fit in very well in today's NFL.

Ferentz's WRs have struggled to even get on a practice squad.

If you're picking starting WRs of the All Fry/Ferentz era, Dwight is a no-brainer, he's the fastest player (in pads with the ball in his hands in the last 35 years, probably ever). Harmon was the quickest and had acceleration that has been unseen at Iowa since he left. Hughes still is the WR size, speed, athletic ability combo standard at Iowa that few measure up to.

Is anybody really going to pick Hinkel, Solomon, DJK, McNutt, or Jones over them? Maybe Mo Brown in pre-injury, but those guys, IMO do not hold up Fry's WR standard.
 


Love that people are losing their heads over his comments yet don't even realize he doesn't even have an offer from Missouri. So either it's just wishful thinking on his part or he is going to try and walk on.
 




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