HN Bowl Projections (12/1, 7:30am Update)

JonDMiller

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Just when we thought things were nice and tidy related to the Big Ten's bowl prospects, things got crazy on Saturday thanks to one game; Penn State's upset of Wisconsin in Madison.


All of my bowl projections the past two weeks assumed the Badgers would hold serve against the undermanned Nittany Lions and that Michigan State and Ohio State would win out, too. The latter two things happened, the first did not.


With the loss, Wisconsin removed itself from Top 14 consideration in the final BCS poll, a mark you have to hit in order to be considered for at large inclusion in the BCS.


When that happened, the Big Ten's chances of getting two teams into the BCS (which I will refer to as the '2-up' scenario') took a big hit.


Yes, Michigan State was ranked 11th in last week's BCS poll and they did beat Minnesota on Saturday. Ohio State was ranked 3rd in the nation and will be headed to a BCS bowl. However, Michigan State does not have the type of bowl traveling reputation of Wisconsin and even if they finished inside the Top 14, their BCS fortunes are murky aside from winning the Big Ten's automatic bid to the Rose Bowl. But the Rose Bowl has told the powers that be that if Michigan State is available in the Top 14 when their pick comes around, they will likely take the Spartans.
This of course has huge implications of where Iowa will go bowling. The 2-up scenario is clear and clean; Iowa was very likely headed to Tampa and the Outback. Given that the 2-up seems a bit more shaky right now, Iowa's bowl destination likelihood is also shaky.


And then the miracle happened in Auburn.


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With that play, the Big Ten's 2-up prospects were back in play, and South Carolina topped a Clemson team who doesn't have a chance to play again this year and a team Michigan State likely jumps in the rankings.


The Spartans will probably be 10th when the BCS rankings come out tonight. The easiest 2-up scenario is Michigan State beating Ohio State for the Big Ten title on Saturday, then MSU goes to the Rose and Ohio State would be an at large BCS bowl selection, without a doubt. If Ohio State beats Michigan State, it will be white knuckle and down to the wire time as we await to see whether or not Michigan State falls below the Top 14 line. It will be close, as long as the Big Ten title game is close.


Let's get to some scenarios...again, if Michigan State beats Ohio State, the Big Ten 2-up is going to happen. That's the most certain thing in all of this.


TWO UP SCENARIO, OSU WIN & IN NATIONAL TITLE:
Title: Ohio State
Rose: MSU
Capital One: Wisconsin
Outback: Iowa
Buffalo Wild Wings: Nebraska
Gator: Michigan
Texas: Minnesota


TWO UP SCENARIO, MSU WINS BIG TEN TITLE GAME
Rose: MSU
BCS: Ohio State
Capital One: Wisconsin
Outback: Iowa
Buffalo Wild Wings: Nebraska
Gator: Michigan
Texas: Minnesota


ONE UP SCENARIO: There are a few ways the one up scenario could happen and they all include an Ohio State win in the Big Ten title game. Ohio State could win the game and somehow get screwed over by an Auburn win in the SEC title game and getting enough votes to pass them to play against Florida State in the title game. I don't think that will happen as I don't think the coaches poll will rank Auburn ahead of Ohio State nor do I think that would happen in the Harris Poll. But, it could still happen and Auburn AD Jay Jacobs is already out the politicking:


"A one-loss SEC team that wins in Atlanta can't get left out (of the BCS title game). It's impossible," Jacobs said. "It already happened in 2004. It would be a disservice to the nation if we got left out."


So, there you go...which is utterly ridiculous and the disservice to the nation part is only something that can come from someone associated with an SEC football program.


The more likely 1-up comes from Ohio State handling Michigan State and the Spartans falling down below the 14th position in the rankings...and given where I think they will be after the rankings come out tonight, I think it would be very close and well within the realm of possibility.


ONE UP:
BCS: Ohio State
Capital One: Michigan State
Outback: Wisconsin
Buffalo Wild Wings: Nebraska
Gator: Iowa or Michigan
Texas: Iowa or Michigan
Dallas: Minnesota


I think the Buffalo Wild Wings would take Nebraska to match up against an old Big 12 foe in the final year of the BWW's involvement with the Big Ten. I could see the Gator taking Iowa or Michigan. If memory serves, the Gator picked ahead of the Insight in 2010 and while Iowa had one more win in league play than Michigan and head beaten the Wolverines head to head, the Gator chose Michigan as its Big Ten representative, sending Iowa to the Insight against Missouri. I'd lean Iowa 60-40 but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Here is an article from Jacksonville talking about Iowa and Michigan, with Georgia as the opponent. That article includes this ominous line:

"In the end, all it could mean is that the Gator Bowl gets the preferred matchup that president Rick Catlett liked a month ago, Georgia vs. Michigan. With Taxslayer.com re-upping as title sponsor, TV ratings will be important this year."



When the BCS rankings are released Sunday night, look to see if MSU can get into the nine-spot in the rankings and not 10th. Anything better than 10th means its farther for them to fall out of the Top 14 if they lose to Ohio State. Or you can just choose to cheer for Mark Dantonio's Spartans next week against the Buckeyes...if not, you're cheering for Urban Meyer.


Good luck to you on your decision.
 
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Wisky really screwed things up. I'd guess we end up at gator or BWW at this point.
 


Wisky really screwed things up. I'd guess we end up at gator or BWW at this point.

I really don't see the BWW now. I think they go Nebraska and either Iowa is there for Outback to take in 2up or in a 1up, BWW takes Nebraska. If it's 1up I see Gator or Texas. 2up, Outback
 


I really don't see the BWW now. I think they go Nebraska and either Iowa is there for Outback to take in 2up or in a 1up, BWW takes Nebraska. If it's 1up I see Gator or Texas. 2up, Outback

But Jon, if Iowa ends up in the Gator or Texas that would be a disservice to the nation!
 


Is it better to have gator on New Year's Day or the Texas Bowl from an exposure/recruiting standpoint.
 


Ohio State is on track to lose to MSU in the BIG title game. They haven't faced that kind of defense all season, and it's going to slow them down dramatically.

Ohio State doesn't deserve to play for a national title, and they will get embarrassed if they do.

Urban Meyer is in love with his offense, but he needs to start focusing on his defense which gave up over 600 yards and 41 points to a CRAPPY Michigan team.

At this point, my feeling is that MSU wins next Saturday and keeps the 2-team BCS option in play.
 


OSU is gonna beat MSU. And win the national title.

OSU is 18th in scoring defense, 5th in rushing defense, 30th in total defense.

MSU is 63rd in scoring and 85th in total offense.
 


Jon, is your thoughts on the BWW Bowl passing on Iowa for Nebraska based on gut feeling / general knowledge of the bowl business or do you have some inside information? Also, does the Gator Bowl not have the 2 games difference in the standings like the Cap One, Outback and BWW Bowls? Michigan finished 3-5 in the Big Ten whereas Iowa finished 5-3.

It will be really disappointing if Iowa gets the shaft and drops from the Outback all the way to the Texas Bowl.
 


Ohio State is on track to lose to MSU in the BIG title game. They haven't faced that kind of defense all season, and it's going to slow them down dramatically.

Ohio State doesn't deserve to play for a national title, and they will get embarrassed if they do.

Urban Meyer is in love with his offense, but he needs to start focusing on his defense which gave up over 600 yards and 41 points to a CRAPPY Michigan team.

At this point, my feeling is that MSU wins next Saturday and keeps the 2-team BCS option in play.

if osu beats msu, it will prove what i have been thinking all along re: osu wrong. i think osu's defense is not champion level.
 


if osu beats msu, it will prove what i have been thinking all along re: osu wrong. i think osu's defense is not champion level.

I don't think they are anywhere near championship level. But if Carlos can tote the rock 30 times against FSU and roll out with 200+ yards, I don't know that it will matter because the D won't have to do too much and won't spend too much time on the field.
 








Most services I've seen show Iowa vs South Carolina still in outback with MSu and osu in bcs
 


I am sensing that we may end up in Texas with the Gator being the best we can get. After the Rose the Outback is my favorite so that would be best case. TV ratings may sway the nod to Michigan for the Gator and the BWW would love to have Nebby for an old Big 12 matchup which makes sense.

I am actually fine with Texas if that is what it is. I am more excited with the opportunity to win a 9th game and quite simply how this season has ended up.
 


I believe the only thing that could knock iowa from the outback was michigan winning Saturday. 8-4 michigan coming off a win against ohio state would have put them in the outback. Big 10 is getting 2 in the BCS.
 


Well, if the 1 BCS B10 bid materializes and Wisconsin falls to the Outback and the Gator is allowed to take Michigan over Iowa that's complete and utter ********. You can't allow a team with a worse record, worse conference record, and a team you beat head to head, jump over you for a New Years bowl game. The conference needs to have our back and there should be a freaking rule not allowing that. Why do you even play the freaking games then? Just let the Commish negotiate who plays where. This is the Big Ten, not the Big Two. **** Michigan and their alumni. I don't care you are a 7-5 team that wilts in the fourth quarter...put them in the Meinke Car Care Bowl where they belong...or something with Pizza in the name.
 


Well, if the 1 BCS B10 bid materializes and Wisconsin falls to the Outback and the Gator is allowed to take Michigan over Iowa that's complete and utter ********. You can't allow a team with a worse record, worse conference record, and a team you beat head to head, jump over you for a New Years bowl game. The conference needs to have our back and there should be a freaking rule not allowing that. Why do you even play the freaking games then? Just let the Commish negotiate who plays where. This is the Big Ten, not the Big Two. **** Michigan and their alumni. I don't care you are a 7-5 team that wilts in the fourth quarter...put them in the Meinke Car Care Bowl where they belong...or something with Pizza in the name.

You do realize the 'jumping' was leveraged for our benefit in the past? You also realize we get a handsome check by being a member of this conference that drives a large portion of what we do while being in one of the smallest TV markets? The conference does need to work with the bowls and if they want a certain TV matchup that might work against us here.
 


Do you know what I want to see?
MSU and bama.
If msu gets beat by osu, is this possible?
It would go a very long way in the perception of the big if osu can beat fsu and msu can beat bama.
Put wisky in the rose.
Iowa gets another sec game.
We pull those games out and jim and btn can tell secpn to sit down and stfu.
 


USAToday 12:58 p.m. EST December 3, 2013

Iowa vs. Georgia in GATOR BOWL

Bowl projections: Auburn or Ohio State in BCS title game?


..Not sure where/how USAToday Erick Smith has this figured out.
ESPN, CBS Sports and Sports Illustrated all have Iowa going to the OUTBACK. The shakeup with Auburn beating Alabama seems to be having a unpredictable trickle down effect.

NCAA College Football BCS Bowl Projections Week 14 - ESPN

College Football Bowls - CBSSports.com

Bowl Projections: Season's end brings clarity to postseason picture - College Football - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
 
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