Iowa better than clowns a look at the numbers

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okeefe4prez said:
Pretty sure our defense gave up 44 in 2011. I believe O'Keefe hung 41 on ISU in that game. The Norm backers will jump all over me in 3...2...1...
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Just double-checked, and you're right. The Cyclones put up 44 points in that game.

However, I will add this to my initial post: ISU scored 3 TDs and had 3 TOs in regulation against Iowa in '11. That means in Rhoads' 4 games vs. Iowa, they have more turnovers than TDs 3 times and have the same number once. Not good numbers.
 


Our secondary is very, very shaky. Our D-line puts no pressure on the QB. We get torched through the air and lose 21-20.
 


1hawkeye1 said:
Our secondary is very, very shaky. Our D-line puts no pressure on the QB. We get torched through the air and lose 21-20.
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We've been playing contain. The d-line is fine. On any play that is 3rd and 7 or longer where we can actually send them after the QB because the threat of run is reduced, they will get a lot of pressure and sacks. I'd be stunned if ISU converted a single third and long against us on Saturday.
 


So Iowa pounds the ball in the run game and there is no way clown u can win. For those of you that bet where is the best place to do so?
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
So Iowa pounds the ball in the run game and there is no way clown u can win. For those of you that bet where is the best place to do so?
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If Iowa comes out with the double tight end set as they did in the 2nd half last game, I can't imagine that clowns can stop the run.

nice post, btw.
 


okeefe4prez said:
We've been playing contain. The d-line is fine. On any play that is 3rd and 7 or longer where we can actually send them after the QB because the threat of run is reduced, they will get a lot of pressure and sacks. I'd be stunned if ISU converted a single third and long against us on Saturday.
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That is some solid work.
 


Either Parker has no athletes to put in the secondary or he just doesn't know how to stop a passing attack. In either case, if their QB gets on a roll, they could score quickly and often while we try to ram the ball down their throats.
 


MisterLucky said:
Either Parker has no athletes to put in the secondary or he just doesn't know how to stop a passing attack. In either case, if their QB gets on a roll, they could score quickly and often while we try to ram the ball down their throats.
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Any OC who doesn't go long early and often agin the likes of the Iowa "Defensive" Backs oughta be fired for gross negligence.
 


MisterLucky said:
Either Parker has no athletes to put in the secondary or he just doesn't know how to stop a passing attack. In either case, if their QB gets on a roll, they could score quickly and often while we try to ram the ball down their throats.
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But if they get up by a couple tds Iowa can just go into ball control mode and slow the clock. It doesnt matter what the clowns do they cant win. This is a year in which all the cards are in Iowas pocket.
 


Not sure how people can really surmise after a total of 3 games played this year by the 2 teams how good or bad they are or will become.

They are both really young, talent level for both teams is pretty good in many area's just inexperienced. ISU making a couple of changes on defense and get a couple of guys back.
ISU did seem to settle down after falling behind UNI 21-7, they had like 5 or 6 series in a row where UNI had to punt or was held without points. Iowa moved the ball like crazy, just could not finish for a variety of reasons, but correctable mistakes.

Still lots of unknowns for both teams heading into this one. First year starters playing their first road game, you tend to bet against them. But Iowa will be able to run the ball, so that takes a lot of pressure off. Then you have a questionable Iowa secondary, against an ISU offense when on can throw it all over the field, if the QB gets time, which was a problem against UNI.

Not that they are great teams, but not willing to say they are like the Iowa teams 1970's or ISU from the late 80's early 90's, which had some really poor non competitive teams during those times.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
But if they get up by a couple tds Iowa can just go into ball control mode and slow the clock. It doesnt matter what the clowns do they cant win. This is a year in which all the cards are in Iowas pocket.
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KF sitting on a lead and going conservative is what ISU is banking on.
 


fsanford said:
Not sure how people can really surmise after a total of 3 games played this year by the 2 teams how good or bad they are or will become.

They are both really young, talent level for both teams is pretty good in many area's just inexperienced. ISU making a couple of changes on defense and get a couple of guys back.
ISU did seem to settle down after falling behind UNI 21-7, they had like 5 or 6 series in a row where UNI had to punt or was held without points. Iowa moved the ball like crazy, just could not finish for a variety of reasons, but correctable mistakes.

Still lots of unknowns for both teams heading into this one. First year starters playing their first road game, you tend to bet against them. But Iowa will be able to run the ball, so that takes a lot of pressure off. Then you have a questionable Iowa secondary, against an ISU offense when on can throw it all over the field, if the QB gets time, which was a problem against UNI.

Not that they are great teams, but not willing to say they are like the Iowa teams 1970's or ISU from the late 80's early 90's, which had some really poor non competitive teams during those times.
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Ummm take a look at the title. History will tell you who will win. Two young go in and the one with the best coaching wins. Its pretty simple really.
 






slickwillard said:
I dont think Greg does either.
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Well its getting there. When youre in the Big Ten and you play against the best you need a pro style set to eat up time when you get up by a td or 2. KOK and Kirk were together for so long and its gonna take time for GD and Kirk to gel thats all.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Well its getting there. When youre in the Big Ten and you play against the best you need a pro style set to eat up time when you get up by a td or 2. KOK and Kirk were together for so long and its gonna take time for GD and Kirk to gel thats all.
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I don't think GD will ever gel.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Ummm take a look at the title. History will tell you who will win. Two young go in and the one with the best coaching wins. Its pretty simple really.[/QUOTE)

Hmm, I think you under value the fact that first year coaches will tend to go into the season with a big disadvantage, at least for the first month of the season in their first year. Unless you take over the reigns at a premiere program probably gonna be pretty rough.

Not gonna try to figure out records over the last 4 years, maybe Ferentz has a better record. But the expectation would be, at least in the first year, an established coach who has been at a program as long as Ferentz was, would have an enormous advantage over a guy just starting out. Especially if the guy was never a head coach before.
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fsanford said:
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
But the expectation would be, at least in the first year, an established coach who has been at a program as long as Ferentz was, would have an enormous advantage over a guy just starting out. Especially if the guy was never a head coach before.
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Wrong. Longer tenured coaches are at a sizable disadvantage because they have a lot of tape out there and tendencies are easier to identify. The most dangerous coaches are the young guys who are backed into a corner and who will do anything to win, even if it goes against the book. Guys who do fake punts, onside kicks in the first quarter, etc.
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