Running Game Outlook for 2013

Eda said:
It points to a balanced offensive play calling. KF has always pushed for a balanced play calling, and is typically 50/50.
I was surprised '08 was only 4th in the B1G also, but compare it with other teams (and their records from '08), % of offense, passing TDs, etc; before getting all bent out of shape.
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No this doesnt get a free pass because he tries to be balanced. Also being balanced doesnt mean that Iowa is completing any passes. Try again.


When you have the best or the second best rb in the country and you get 4th in the B1G thats not right. These numbers show how bad this run first try to pass offense is.

It also shows that they should play the last two minutes of each have. Not let the defense be on the field because kirk wants the other team to hand him the game.

I dont understand why so many of you want this to be okay in your heads. Why are you trying so hard to tell yourselves that this is a good offense when the numbers are right there?
 


Sirhouseman said:
Thank you. I can't believe I got all the way to page three without reading this. This is the answer. Iowa most definitely made an effort to be balanced.
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So every other team is running more than Iowa? How is everyone in the B1G getting more plays? What about the YPC? These numbers are so unfair against only Iowa.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
So every other team is running more than Iowa? How is everyone in the B1G getting more plays? What about the YPC? These numbers are so unfair against only Iowa.
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This is a fair point, but I also think Iowa's stubbornness to be balanced has to factor in.
Ok, in 2008 we finished 4th. Is there anyone who was complaining that we didn't run enough? Other than for selfish, "I want me some more Shonn Greene"?
 


Sirhouseman said:
This is a fair point, but I also think Iowa's stubbornness to be balanced has to factor in.
Ok, in 2008 we finished 4th. Is there anyone who was complaining that we didn't run enough? Other than for selfish, "I want me some more Shonn Greene"?
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My point being is that the numbers show how bad the offense is at Iowa. Posters reply to me as I am just negative. So what I have been saying is theres the stats show me how its not negative.


Greene made the offense look good but we cant get Greene type players every year. So things need to be mixed up. Even with top talent this offense isnt even the best in the B1G.
 




OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
No this doesnt get a free pass because he tries to be balanced. Also being balanced doesnt mean that Iowa is completing any passes. Try again.


When you have the best or the second best rb in the country and you get 4th in the B1G thats not right. These numbers show how bad this run first try to pass offense is.

It also shows that they should play the last two minutes of each have. Not let the defense be on the field because kirk wants the other team to hand him the game.

I dont understand why so many of you want this to be okay in your heads. Why are you trying so hard to tell yourselves that this is a good offense when the numbers are right there?
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I never said the offense was good. The offenses have always been middle of the pack under KF. '08 they were better than most years running the ball. They are typically a very balanced offense. As for the passes being completed or not... Do you have stats or a link you could share? How about more rushing for every other B1G team? Or perhaps running more plays (Altho Iowa's offense is a ball control one). Thx.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
No this doesnt get a free pass because he tries to be balanced. Also being balanced doesnt mean that Iowa is completing any passes. Try again.


When you have the best or the second best rb in the country and you get 4th in the B1G thats not right. These numbers show how bad this run first try to pass offense is.

It also shows that they should play the last two minutes of each have. Not let the defense be on the field because kirk wants the other team to hand him the game.

I dont understand why so many of you want this to be okay in your heads. Why are you trying so hard to tell yourselves that this is a good offense when the numbers are right there?
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You are SO mixing apples with oranges with that argument. Yes, we had the best RB in the conference and country. No, we didn NOT have a "set" QB for all of our games.
 




How so? Those numbers are from everyone in the B1G. Is it the same for everyone but Iowa? A set QB? Bob what the heck are you talking about?
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Do you really need stats to see that Iowas passing game under Kirk is awful?
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Well if you're going to say the stats show the offense sucks, then you should show the stats.

Oooooooorrrr, I could take your word for it.

So, do you have the stats?

And I think Bob was saying we were rotating QBs for part of the season.
 


Eda said:
Well if you're going to say the stats show the offense sucks, then you should show the stats.

Oooooooorrrr, I could take your word for it.

So, do you have the stats?

And I think Bob was saying we were rotating QBs for part of the season.
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Stats are on the first page.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
How so? Those numbers are from everyone in the B1G. Is it the same for everyone but Iowa? A set QB? Bob what the heck are you talking about?
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It's over your head, obviously. Some of Greene's lowest output was in the beginning of the season, when JC was still seeing action. And the passing game didn't "suck" that year. It wasn't world-beating, but Stanzi-Brodell-DJK, not to mention the TEs, had some great plays. But it didn't start out that way, as JC saw appreciable action through the first four games.

<<Bob what the heck are you talking about?>>

Nice try. OTOH, maybe you REALLY don't understand.

It's pretty obvious you are arguing for argument's sake throughout the boards/forums. You are making inaccurate or irrelevant comparisons, intimating that 4th in B10 is "bad", etc., that the passing game "sucks", but making off-the-cuff supporting arguments, ignoring other relevant/salient points, etc.

In short, you've become exhausting. You aren't that knowledgable about football, average at best. Your personal "grief" for KF shines bright enough to bleed to other topics/forums, and you end up interweaving it into damn near any thread/topic.

You're like the dork-wannabe in science class who has to keep telling everyone they're wrong, even when you aren't right.

Pure exhaustion.
 


Maybe we need to run the ball more often, especially since our strength is usually OL. An interesting stat is our run/pass ratio has been greater than 60% only three years under Kirk; 2001, 2002 and 2008. In those years we finished 1st, 1st and 3rd in scoring (B1G). Our next highest finish was 5th in 2003 and all other years in the bottom half of B1G. Wisconsin always runs the ball at least 60% and sometimes close to 70% and they are usually towards the top of the B1G in scoring.
 


I'm not convinced that the O Line has been the strength of the program. I think Norm Parker's D was the strength. KF played small ball and relied on the D for field position and keeping the opposition out of the endzone and settling for FGs.
 


hawkeyebob62 said:
It's over your head, obviously. Some of Greene's lowest output was in the beginning of the season, when JC was still seeing action. And the passing game didn't "suck" that year. It wasn't world-beating, but Stanzi-Brodell-DJK, not to mention the TEs, had some great plays. But it didn't start out that way, as JC saw appreciable action through the first four games.

<<Bob what the heck are you talking about?>>

Nice try. OTOH, maybe you REALLY don't understand.

It's pretty obvious you are arguing for argument's sake throughout the boards/forums. You are making inaccurate or irrelevant comparisons, intimating that 4th in B10 is "bad", etc., that the passing game "sucks", but making off-the-cuff supporting arguments, ignoring other relevant/salient points, etc.

In short, you've become exhausting. You aren't that knowledgable about football, average at best. Your personal "grief" for KF shines bright enough to bleed to other topics/forums, and you end up interweaving it into damn near any thread/topic.

You're like the dork-wannabe in science class who has to keep telling everyone they're wrong, even when you aren't right.

Pure exhaustion.
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Tell me how the stats on the first page favor every other team in the B1G other than Iowa? That is what you are saying. The numbers arent fair?

Its still a fact that with the best or second best RB in the country the best Iowa could do was 4th in the B1G.

You can attack me if you want Bob thats about the only thing you can do.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Tell me how the stats on the first page favor every other team in the B1G other than Iowa? That is what you are saying. The numbers arent fair?

Its still a fact that with the best or second best RB in the country the best Iowa could do was 4th in the B1G.

You can attack me if you want Bob thats about the only thing you can do.
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First of all, if you're only going off the stat sheet on the first page of this thread, then you aren't looking deep enough into any data to make an informed claim. So you have that going for you.

Next:
SG had the best year for an Iowa running back that year (most carries and most single season yards).

But compare our rushing numbers to the 3 teams ahead of us.

Wisconsin 567 attempts 2745 yds (John Clay majority of carries - and a heavy run offense)

PSU 511 attempts 2676 yds (they had Evan Royster, S.Green, Daryll Clark, and Derrick Williams)

OSU 540 attempts 2502 yds (Beanie Wells, Tattoo Pryor, and Boom Herron)

Iowa 515 attempts 2453 yds (SG 307 attempts Jewell Hampton 91 attempts)

- the gap between 1-4 was less than 300 yds, and Iowa did it with SG taking most if the carries (with a little help from JH). Fourth in the league is pretty darn good when you look at all the stats.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Tell me how the stats on the first page favor every other team in the B1G other than Iowa? That is what you are saying. The numbers arent fair?

Its still a fact that with the best or second best RB in the country the best Iowa could do was 4th in the B1G.

You can attack me if you want Bob thats about the only thing you can do.
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Do you even KNOW what you are arguing at this point? More to the point, is there even a reason for it?

2008 finished as a great season, in spite of a QB "controversy" through the first 4 games. 4 losses were by a TOTAL of 12 points. A resounding a&&-whooping at Minnesota, a convincing Outback Bowl win, oh, and to drive that last point home, the B1G had exactly ONE team win its bowl game that year.

We also knocked PSU out of BCS title contention, finally beat Wisconsin and Indiana after a 2-season drought with each, and might have beat NW if SG isn't the victim of an uncalled helmet-to-helmet.

In short, it's not that I don't want to hear your argument or attack you. It's that I can't believe I am allowing you to waste my time.
 


hawkeyebob62 said:
Do you even KNOW what you are arguing at this point? More to the point, is there even a reason for it?

2008 finished as a great season, in spite of a QB "controversy" through the first 4 games. 4 losses were by a TOTAL of 12 points. A resounding a&&-whooping at Minnesota, a convincing Outback Bowl win, oh, and to drive that last point home, the B1G had exactly ONE team win its bowl game that year.

We also knocked PSU out of BCS title contention, finally beat Wisconsin and Indiana after a 2-season drought with each, and might have beat NW if SG isn't the victim of an uncalled helmet-to-helmet.

In short, it's not that I don't want to hear your argument or attack you. It's that I can't believe I am allowing you to waste my time.
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It's amazing how easily that happens around here. I find myself getting involved in pointless arguments probably two or three times a week... slowly losing the desire. The season can't get here soon enough.
 




i'm confused...does OOTH want us to pass more and take away from the rushing stats...or run more and take away from the passing stats?
 


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