Steve Perry, ferentz and an analogy

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I'm sure most on here at least know of Steve Perry as most of us remember the band Journey. I was thinking about Iowa Football today and this analogy between Steve Perry and ferentz just popped in my head. Stay with me and it will make some sense.

When Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey he had massive success at being a lead singer of a rock band. I won't list all of Journey's successes, but they were absolutely huge in the early to mid 80's and were declared the nation's best rock band by Rolling Stone magazine.

What the he-- does that got to do with Iowa Football and ferentz? A lot actually. You see, Steve Perry was never a rocker before he joined Journey. He was and is more of a soulful, pop crooner than anything. The Journey guys didn't even want him, but their manager made them take him in. Good for them they did because they were millionaires a short time after he joined with them.

Ok, ok I'll get to the point now. Steve Perry became very famous and made a ton of money doing something he was not gifted as - a rock singer. Similarly, ferentz had a lot of success doing something he was not gifted as - a head coach of a D-1A college football team.

Steve Perry was successful as a rock singer because he had good songwriters he worked with as well as good musicians, and he could shout like a rock singer if he had to. ferentz was successful because he had a good D. coord and good asst coaches who could recruit good players.

Left to themselves, they both do not have the talent to be successful at those vocations. OOth had it right in a post the other day when he stated that ferentz never was a good head coach. Steve Perry was never a good rock singer either.

In short, lighting struck in a bottle for ferentz. It won't again. Hope I am wrong.

FreedComanche
 


We could may e get similar results at much less cost if we hire a little Filipino guy to replace Kirk!

I don't know about your premise. His legacy will be decided in the next two yeArs. It's a shame Iowa has struck out on DE recruiting. It hurts Kirks chance at redemption. One more thing: I don't think Hayden's team whereas good after all his original assistants left either.
 


You could make the same analogy about most D1 head coaches. They all have their ups and downs when good assistants leave. A D1 head coach really doesn't coach the players all that much. If they did, there wouldn't be a need for all the assistants. The head coach can't and doesn't and the assistants can and do. The head coaches job is to run the company and it is only as good as the employees. There is always some drop off when there is turnover like any business. He has lost employees and built the company up again, give this a chance before naming it a failure.
 


FreedComanche said:
I'm sure most on here at least know of Steve Perry as most of us remember the band Journey. I was thinking about Iowa Football today and this analogy between Steve Perry and ferentz just popped in my head. Stay with me and it will make some sense.

When Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey he had massive success at being a lead singer of a rock band. I won't list all of Journey's successes, but they were absolutely huge in the early to mid 80's and were declared the nation's best rock band by Rolling Stone magazine.

What the he-- does that got to do with Iowa Football and ferentz? A lot actually. You see, Steve Perry was never a rocker before he joined Journey. He was and is more of a soulful, pop crooner than anything. The Journey guys didn't even want him, but their manager made them take him in. Good for them they did because they were millionaires a short time after he joined with them.

Ok, ok I'll get to the point now. Steve Perry became very famous and made a ton of money doing something he was not gifted as - a rock singer. Similarly, ferentz had a lot of success doing something he was not gifted as - a head coach of a D-1A college football team.

Steve Perry was successful as a rock singer because he had good songwriters he worked with as well as good musicians, and he could shout like a rock singer if he had to. ferentz was successful because he had a good D. coord and good asst coaches who could recruit good players.

Left to themselves, they both do not have the talent to be successful at those vocations. OOth had it right in a post the other day when he stated that ferentz never was a good head coach. Steve Perry was never a good rock singer either.

In short, lighting struck in a bottle for ferentz. It won't again. Hope I am wrong.

FreedComanche
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Dumb analogy. You could say the same thing about any coach. Lightning in a bottle for Bilichick at New England, but not Cleveland. Lightning in a bottle for Saben at LSU, not Michigan st....at Alabama, not the Dolphins. Lightning in a bottle for Parcells at NYG, not in NE, NYJ, or Dallas. I could go on and on, but there is really no need, as the analogy was stupid as ****.
 


FreedComanche said:
I'm sure most on here at least know of Steve Perry as most of us remember the band Journey. I was thinking about Iowa Football today and this analogy between Steve Perry and ferentz just popped in my head. Stay with me and it will make some sense.

When Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey he had massive success at being a lead singer of a rock band. I won't list all of Journey's successes, but they were absolutely huge in the early to mid 80's and were declared the nation's best rock band by Rolling Stone magazine.

What the he-- does that got to do with Iowa Football and ferentz? A lot actually. You see, Steve Perry was never a rocker before he joined Journey. He was and is more of a soulful, pop crooner than anything. The Journey guys didn't even want him, but their manager made them take him in. Good for them they did because they were millionaires a short time after he joined with them.

Ok, ok I'll get to the point now. Steve Perry became very famous and made a ton of money doing something he was not gifted as - a rock singer. Similarly, ferentz had a lot of success doing something he was not gifted as - a head coach of a D-1A college football team.

Steve Perry was successful as a rock singer because he had good songwriters he worked with as well as good musicians, and he could shout like a rock singer if he had to. ferentz was successful because he had a good D. coord and good asst coaches who could recruit good players.

Left to themselves, they both do not have the talent to be successful at those vocations. OOth had it right in a post the other day when he stated that ferentz never was a good head coach. Steve Perry was never a good rock singer either.

In short, lighting struck in a bottle for ferentz. It won't again. Hope I am wrong.

FreedComanche
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As a musician, I'll say with confidence your comments on Perry's talent are nonsense. While Journey isn't one of my favorite bands, Steve Perry was a tremendously talented singer. A lot of rockers would kill for his pipes. It's true that rock wasn't his first love, but that's an entirely different point. Same for drummer Steve Smith who was a straight-up jazzer out of Berklee in Boston, and has stuck with jazz since his Journey days. He did a terrific job with both. Many great musicians can work across styles.

Since your premise is wrong, the analogy is equally wrong.
 






kmurp said:
We could may e get similar results at much less cost if we hire a little Filipino guy to replace Kirk!

I don't know about your premise. His legacy will be decided in the next two yeArs. It's a shame Iowa has struck out on DE recruiting. It hurts Kirks chance at redemption. One more thing: I don't think Hayden's team whereas good after all his original assistants left either.
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Alvarez, Synder, Mccarney, Brashier,Ferentz probably equivalent to losing Parker, Philibin, Bielima, Aiken..........The 30 secs. or so i can't back from reading the op, I am trying to come up with something clever and funny that have to do with Journey songs......."Open Arms", "Send her my Love" gonna have to tap out I got nothin.
 


Now...where I thought you were going was that a journey song, "Don't Stop Believing" could be an anthem for Hawkeye fans who refuse to wallow in the difficulties of last year and are optimistic about the 2013 season...you know..."dont stop believing, hold on to that feeling". Unfortunately, you went off into the neverland of analogies. Also, I'm really not sure Journey qualifies as rock n roll either...pop rock at best.

We are all aware of your feeling on KF...you are probably better off comparing him to Michael Stipe...then you can say they both suck ****. That's more in line with your beliefs on KF.
 


FreedComanche said:
I'm sure most on here at least know of Steve Perry as most of us remember the band Journey. I was thinking about Iowa Football today and this analogy between Steve Perry and ferentz just popped in my head. Stay with me and it will make some sense.

When Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey he had massive success at being a lead singer of a rock band. I won't list all of Journey's successes, but they were absolutely huge in the early to mid 80's and were declared the nation's best rock band by Rolling Stone magazine.

What the he-- does that got to do with Iowa Football and ferentz? A lot actually. You see, Steve Perry was never a rocker before he joined Journey. He was and is more of a soulful, pop crooner than anything. The Journey guys didn't even want him, but their manager made them take him in. Good for them they did because they were millionaires a short time after he joined with them.

Ok, ok I'll get to the point now. Steve Perry became very famous and made a ton of money doing something he was not gifted as - a rock singer. Similarly, ferentz had a lot of success doing something he was not gifted as - a head coach of a D-1A college football team.

Steve Perry was successful as a rock singer because he had good songwriters he worked with as well as good musicians, and he could shout like a rock singer if he had to. ferentz was successful because he had a good D. coord and good asst coaches who could recruit good players.

Left to themselves, they both do not have the talent to be successful at those vocations. OOth had it right in a post the other day when he stated that ferentz never was a good head coach. Steve Perry was never a good rock singer either.

In short, lighting struck in a bottle for ferentz. It won't again. Hope I am wrong.

FreedComanche
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Billso said:
As a musician, I'll say with confidence your comments on Perry's talent are nonsense. While Journey isn't one of my favorite bands, Steve Perry was a tremendously talented singer. A lot of rockers would kill for his pipes. It's true that rock wasn't his first love, but that's an entirely different point. Same for drummer Steve Smith who was a straight-up jazzer out of Berklee in Boston, and has stuck with jazz since his Journey days. He did a terrific job with both. Many great musicians can work across styles.

Since your premise is wrong, the analogy is equally wrong.
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Glad to know that you are a musician. Since you are, you know that Steve Perry is not at all a rock singer. There is no doubt that in his prime he had the most unique and powerful voice and was one heck of a showman on stage. I think he was one of the most talented singers ever. But he was not a rock singer. By the way, he's really not been popular since leaving Journey and that, to at least a certain degree, makes my point.

It is not a wrong premise. The analogy may not be a strong one, but there is some similarity to ferentz.

On Steve Smith, he is so talented that he could be a very, very good drummer in any genre of music. Don't you think?

FreedComanche
 




WinOneThisCentury said:
Now...where I thought you were going was that a journey song, "Don't Stop Believing" could be an anthem for Hawkeye fans who refuse to wallow in the difficulties of last year and are optimistic about the 2013 season...you know..."dont stop believing, hold on to that feeling". Unfortunately, you went off into the neverland of analogies. Also, I'm really not sure Journey qualifies as rock n roll either...pop rock at best.

We are all aware of your feeling on KF...you are probably better off comparing him to Michael Stipe...then you can say they both suck ****. That's more in line with your beliefs on KF.
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Well, that was gross.

FreedComanche
 


maybe we could work up a parallel with this guy. He wore and arrow shirt.

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deanvogs said:
Dumb analogy. You could say the same thing about any coach. Lightning in a bottle for Bilichick at New England, but not Cleveland. Lightning in a bottle for Saben at LSU, not Michigan st....at Alabama, not the Dolphins. Lightning in a bottle for Parcells at NYG, not in NE, NYJ, or Dallas. I could go on and on, but there is really no need, as the analogy was stupid as ****.
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I'm not trying to convince you ferentz apologists. You guys would come up with a million excuses for him no matter what.

FreedComanche
 


FreedComanche said:
I'm not trying to convince you ferentz apologists. You guys would come up with a million excuses for him no matter what.

FreedComanche
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Wow, what a strange comparison. First of all was Steve Perry the CEO and main manager of the band. Was Perry the guy taking on all the pressure. Bogus comparison.

I mainly disagree with some of KFs in game decision making but I am not going to fault his overall management of the program. I have said for years that the conservative nature of KF and somewhat KOK and even Norm along with some of KFs decisions have cost the hawks 1-2 games a year.

But I see no way you can say that KF is not a good head coach. Maybe your definition of 'gifted' is that KF should be perfect and outstanding. THere arent many coaches like that.

But I think you are really implying that he is terrible which isnt the case.
 


uihawk82 said:
Wow, what a strange comparison. First of all was Steve Perry the CEO and main manager of the band. Was Perry the guy taking on all the pressure. Bogus comparison.

I mainly disagree with some of KFs in game decision making but I am not going to fault his overall management of the program. I have said for years that the conservative nature of KF and somewhat KOK and even Norm along with some of KFs decisions have cost the hawks 1-2 games a year.

But I see no way you can say that KF is not a good head coach. Maybe your definition of 'gifted' is that KF should be perfect and outstanding. THere arent many coaches like that.

But I think you are really implying that he is terrible which isnt the case.
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Nope, I do not think he's gifted to be a head coach. His talents suit him to be an O line coach. Nothing of his history before becoming Iowa's head coach indicated that he was suited to be a head coach. He had a bad record as hc at Maine.

FreedComanche
 


FreedComanche said:
I'm not trying to convince you ferentz apologists. You guys would come up with a million excuses for him no matter what.

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And I'm not trying to convince you haters of anything. You would come up with a reason to hate him doing charity work at the children's hospital.
 




Sadly your analogy holds no water with me... I liked Steve Perry's solo work better than his work with Journey but I am strange that way.
 


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