Iowa's vs. Minnesota's tourney bid odds as of March 7

If MN and Ill really do finish 8-10 and get in (which has a decent liklihood), it doesn't look to good to bypass the team that is 2-1 against them, and sitting in a higher position in the conference (and when all is said and done, likely almost the same overall record too). And if they do bypass the Hawks, at least Iowa would have reason to cry BS. Because Iowa is BETTER than either of those two pathetic teams right now. That all hinges on Iowa winning at least the next two games, however. Lose anyone of those and forget the argument.
 


volhawk50 said:
USC is in the RPI top 100? The fighting Aaron Fullers of USC? I thought they were below .500 and horrible.
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Yes they are currently 96 and under .500. USC played a very nice schedule SOS of 11..


What you can't google RPI Rankings? Here is an idea for some of you, how about before bashing teams go look at the body of work they faced..
 
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PCHawk said:
HawkPrdatr40 said:
So Duke, Memphis, Stanfords and Florida State are no name schools?

You have never heard of Richmond and or USC?[/QUOTE



All the other ones. Or did they just play those 6 world beater teams?
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This is where ignorance is bliss. All I will say is don't complain or compare. Odds are high that you don't even know that Minnesota has the the 2nd ranked SOS in the country..

You want to rail on them because they are the Gophers and you hate them go right ahead. The fact is Minnesota is a tourny team and we have worked to do..
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HawkPrdatr40 said:
Yes they are currently 96 and under .500. USC played a very nice schedule SOS of 11..


What you can't google RPI Rankings? Here is an idea for some of you, how about before bashing teams go look at the body of work they faced..
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Dude, calm down. I did look it up, and upon further review, USC is still below .500. They did play a really good schedule, but they didn't win hardly any games. Beat two of the same teams we beat, couldn't beat UC Irvine at home. They are better than I thought they were; I guess I was thinking about how they won 6 games last year.
 


Fact is, Goophers are playing bad basketball right now (even with that IN fluke), and Iowa just slaughtered them last time out. I don't give a rip about their schedule....heck they have even lost to a few bad teams like NE and NW. Goophers are the weakest 'lock' I can think of right now. If they get in, look at one and done.
 




SwirlinLingerie said:
We'll see. We can't get in on the RPI argument, so in my mind, this is the next best scenario, which is to underscore how ridiculous the index is. So Iowa finishes at 9-9 and in sole possession of sixth place in the best conference in the country, and you are trying to tell me they are ranked 50 some places behind a team that finished 8-10 in the same conference, in 8th or 9th place, was destroyed by Iowa in their most recent meeting, and other than a win against the top ranked team, has essentially been tanking since January?

It'll be the perfect case study for why the RPI is a ridiculous tool for evaluating the quality of a team. Minnesota will be ranked 50 spots higher than Iowa because the Hawkeyes played 6 teams with RPI values from 261 to 342 in December, instead of 6 teams with RPI values from 150 to 260. So it comes down to Iowa needing to play a few more Gardner Webbs and Western Kentuckys in place of Central Michigans and Coppin States.

Great criteria for selecting an NCAA tournament team. Super useful tool.
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If Minnesota also loses their next two games, their RPI will not be 21 any longer, either. A loss to a team below 100 in the RPI, and one more loss to follow it up. Not sure what their RPI would be then - more like 30? I'm just guessing, but this is exactly why I agree with you that the RPI is really flawed, and should not be the #1 thing the committee looks at when handing out at-large bids.

Minnesota may well still get any no matter what. Could be. But I don't see them as one of the best 20 teams in the country right now, so gotta disagree wholeheartedly with the RPI on that one.

Must be nice that you can ride on what you accomplished in December, and then just crumble the rest of the season and still not apparently being in any danger of losing your NCAA invite, just because the RPI says so. Stupid, if you ask me.
 


HawkPrdatr40 said:
Minnesota is a LOCK right now! It is a done deal. No matter if they finish 8-10,I know it is hard to believe for some on here, but it is True. They are in.
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Minnesota is not a lock. They have lost 7 straight games away from home. Purdue would be 8. The BTT loss would be 9 and they look bad while losing most all of these games. There's nothing to suggest they will be competitive in an NCAA game especially if they lose these next 2. I've read more than 1 place that they drop to the bubble with a loss to Purdue. Don't ask me where because I've been reading too much stuff.
 


1977Hawkeye said:
If Minnesota also loses their next two games, their RPI will not be 21 any longer, either. A loss to a team below 100 in the RPI, and one more loss to follow it up. Not sure what their RPI would be then - more like 30? I'm just guessing, but this is exactly why I agree with you that the RPI is really flawed, and should not be the #1 thing the committee looks at when handing out at-large bids.

Minnesota may well still get any no matter what. Could be. But I don't see them as one of the best 20 teams in the country right now, so gotta disagree wholeheartedly with the RPI on that one.

Must be nice that you can ride on what you accomplished in December, and then just crumble the rest of the season and still not apparently being in any danger of losing your NCAA invite, just because the RPI says so. Stupid, if you ask me.
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This. February and on for Goophs, IN fluke withholding, is laugh worthy.
 


ICHAWK said:
The Big 10 has UNBALANCED conference schedules so you can't really just compare teams based on conference schedule. Iowa had an easier conference schedule than Minnesota so they had more chances to beat poorer teams. I still don't understand how people can't grasp this easy to grasp fact. If you want to compare both teams head to head they split. So I guess we don't gain much info than both teams won on their home court.

And if you want to really look at a better thing that RPI this time of year, Kenpom has Minnesota at 17 and Iowa at 31. I think Iowa is good enough to be an NCAA team but to say Minnesota isn't is just plain dumb.
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Will you pick them to win their opening round game in the NCAA tournament? I won't because they aren't playing well enough to beat a quality team away from home. This is supposed to be an important criteria in tournament selection.
 




WindsorHawk said:
I agree that Illinois is in and could win a couple of games. I don't feel the same way about Minnesota.
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The difference between MN and ILL as I see it, is that Illinois had won 6 of 7 before their loss to Iowa (and also had beat IN), and MN has been coming apart at the seams, sans their win against IN a couple weeks back.

Two teams going in different directions. I'm not sure either team will go far in the tournament, but if I was to pick one team out of the pair that I think will win one or more NCAA games, it would be Illinois.
 


1977Hawkeye said:
The difference between MN and ILL as I see it, is that Illinois had won 6 of 7 before their loss to Iowa (and also had beat IN), and MN has been coming apart at the seams, sans their win against IN a couple weeks back.

Two teams going in different directions. I'm not sure either team will go far in the tournament, but if I was to pick one team out of the pair that I think will win one or more NCAA games, it would be Illinois.
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I still haven't heard back on my numerous requests to get us on the Selection Committee. It isn't looking good 77.
 




WindsorHawk said:
Will you pick them to win their opening round game in the NCAA tournament? I won't because they aren't playing well enough to beat a quality team away from home. This is supposed to be an important criteria in tournament selection.
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What quality team has Iowa beat away from home?
 






Section136 said:
UNI on a neutral court. Not top 50 RPI but they are in the Top 75 I believe.


Im guessing the Hawks get a quality win away from home one week from today.
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There just are not many amazing road wins this year over all. I would guess the best Big 10 road wins this year are Wisconsin over Indiana at Indiana and OSU over Indiana at Indiana.
 




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