I like it getting two of your best ball carriers on the field at the same time especially if they can catch the ball and all of our rbacks can catch. You can do so much with this look. If outside linebackers blitz, the running back can help block them or quickly go outside for a pass into wide open field.
Your thoughts on the 2 RBack sets?
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kameltoez102
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It absolutely needs to happen to help break tendencies and keep the looks fresh for the defense. One major advantage of the pro style offense is the defense has to stay focused on their eyes and the personnel in the game. It has already happened at least once this year where they had the normal I formation and snuck Toren Young into play fullback and he caught a pass.
I really like the way BF is starting to develop the offense and I think he has been holding a lot back these first two games to give some fresh looks to these other teams. As long as our pass blocking holds up I think we can expect to see more RBs catching the ball especially if the TEs are not getting many looks.
I really like the way BF is starting to develop the offense and I think he has been holding a lot back these first two games to give some fresh looks to these other teams. As long as our pass blocking holds up I think we can expect to see more RBs catching the ball especially if the TEs are not getting many looks.
NikeHawk21
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I really like it, especially Goodson and Sargent flanking Stanley in the gun.
The coaches talk a lot about getting the best players on the field. I think we’ve seen the potential for Goodson as a playmaker for this offense. Sargent appears to be the best third down back in terms of blocking and being a sure handed receiver.
The coaches talk a lot about getting the best players on the field. I think we’ve seen the potential for Goodson as a playmaker for this offense. Sargent appears to be the best third down back in terms of blocking and being a sure handed receiver.
Fryowa
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Sargent and Goodson has the potential to be as good or better than Daniels and Wadley.
As far as split backfield, I don't see a downside with the personnel we have. Defenses know we aren't a TE threat this year, and a 2 RB set doesn't detract from passing formations because, similar to Wadley, Goodson is an all-purpose yardage threat who has shown he can move the ball after contact. It doesn't tip our hand to anything because of the different options we have, and I honestly can't think of one downside.
It still allows a TE+2 or Ragaini/Martin in the slot along with Smith/ISM wide. It does preclude the fullback power I, but 1) Sargent/Young can both block, and 2), what's our net yardage been out of that formation anyway?
As far as split backfield, I don't see a downside with the personnel we have. Defenses know we aren't a TE threat this year, and a 2 RB set doesn't detract from passing formations because, similar to Wadley, Goodson is an all-purpose yardage threat who has shown he can move the ball after contact. It doesn't tip our hand to anything because of the different options we have, and I honestly can't think of one downside.
It still allows a TE+2 or Ragaini/Martin in the slot along with Smith/ISM wide. It does preclude the fullback power I, but 1) Sargent/Young can both block, and 2), what's our net yardage been out of that formation anyway?
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Using the military science angle the history of battles many times depends on what happens on the flanks and two fast, elusive running backs can easily dart out toward the sideline and get one on one with a linebacker with space to make a move.
Pre-snap man in motion and other keys can indicate to QB and running backs if it is man to man coverage and if an outside lbkr blitzes the back can swing out and be all alone. Lots of run-pass options.
Pre-snap man in motion and other keys can indicate to QB and running backs if it is man to man coverage and if an outside lbkr blitzes the back can swing out and be all alone. Lots of run-pass options.
IKM can block and catch, too, and Goodson has shown he is willing to stick his nose in there.
Northside Hawk
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If the split backs are Roger Craig and Tom Rathman I wouldn't hesitate to put it in.
Who was the last NFL team to employ numerous sets with split backs?
Probably the 1990's Holmgren coached Green Bay Packers. Mike, of course was Frisco's OC in the late eighties where he learned it from the West coast offense master Bill Walsh (and eventually passed it on to Andy Reid.)
I do like what we've seen out of our backs so far. And our receivers. Getting bottled up repeatedly inside our own ten yard line just gave our receivers more room to toy with Rutgers' defensive backs.
Who was the last NFL team to employ numerous sets with split backs?
Probably the 1990's Holmgren coached Green Bay Packers. Mike, of course was Frisco's OC in the late eighties where he learned it from the West coast offense master Bill Walsh (and eventually passed it on to Andy Reid.)
I do like what we've seen out of our backs so far. And our receivers. Getting bottled up repeatedly inside our own ten yard line just gave our receivers more room to toy with Rutgers' defensive backs.
Fryowa
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I didn’t mention Goodson mostly because at his size there just isn’t much he can physically do with a Big Ten DL or LB.
But...he’s scrappy. I love the fire I see in that kid. He gets visibly pissed when he gets tripped up or doesn’t break a tackle, and he gets up doing the warrior scream after a nice run. I like it.
The first run with the jump cut against the grain...that sort of a move has been available on a ton of different runs this year, but no other back has been capable of seeing it or executing it. He brings a different skill set to go with that toughness. It will be fun to watch develop.
Knight78
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Just to be precise, what do you mean "Daniels and Butler"? Daniels graduated and Butler came in the next year as a grad transfer. Both had Wadley as a running back who they shared time with, but Daniels and Butler never suited up even one game together.
Fryowa
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ChosenChildren
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the set promotes more run pass option with Stanley? Urban Meyer was explaining that set on his show the other day.
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DDThompson
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I like it.
I like 3WR
I like 4WR
I like 2TE
I like FB/RB
I like 3WR
I like 4WR
I like 2TE
I like FB/RB
JoeyLabasForPresident
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Some schmuck gave me shit in the Miami game thread for saying the Hawks should embrace the RPO. He somehow failed to notice the two RPOs the Hawks ran in the first half. I hope they keep it up, Stanley running is awesome. Just don’t get hurt like CJ did, but by all means extend drives with the legs. RPO makes our offense unpredictable in a way that it hasn’t been in a very, very long time.
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JoeyLabasForPresident
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Give the opposing team so much to game plan each week that they can’t properly prepare for all of it. Then go in the first quarter, test it all out, find the gaps in their preparation and exploit them.
