Would Northwestern at Kinnick at Night Light a Fire?

[JHHawk]

Last year's NW game was largely dictated by weather. Almost all the points were scored with the wind,which was very strong. That was only interupted when Iowa had the wind in the second quarter,and then a downpour occurred,which shut down Iowa offense. Iowa dominated the 3rd qtr with the wind,built a lead,then NW had the wind down the stretch,which was huge. Bad luck again for the Hawks at NW.

In 2008 at Kinnick, Iowa dominated much of the game,but 5 turnovers and Shonn Green's concussion(on a play that he took an uncalled late helmet to helmet hit from Phillips of NW,and caused a fumble).

In 2009 at Kinnick, Iowa led 10-0 when Ricky was injured on another play that cost Iowa 7 points,and Stanzi for the regular season,when another uncalled face mask would have left Iowa with a first down and still up 10-0,but an injured Stanzi on another dirty play by NW.

There are unique reasons for each of these losses. In 2005 Iowa blew a 13 pt lead with a few minutes to play...onside kick coverage was poor.
The only game in the last 6 that NW actually outplayed Iowa was 2006.
Iowa should have been 5-1 in that stretch. Freaky crap happens...and must stop happening.

 

[hawkincal]

I think the coaching staff will put a little more emphasis this game than the past, how that translates on the field remains to be seen.

It would not shock me if we get a few snorting/snorkeling noises from KF the week leading up to the NW game......clear indication that he is frustrated/irritated with reporters questions about the annual debacle known as the NW game

Kirk should get grilled by the Iowa media about Northwestern's recent dominance over Iowa.

 

[homes]

Last year's NW game was largely dictated by weather. Almost all the points were scored with the wind,which was very strong. That was only interupted when Iowa had the wind in the second quarter,and then a downpour occurred,which shut down Iowa offense. Iowa dominated the 3rd qtr with the wind,built a lead,then NW had the wind down the stretch,which was huge. Bad luck again for the Hawks at NW.

In 2008 at Kinnick, Iowa dominated much of the game,but 5 turnovers and Shonn Green's concussion(on a play that he took an uncalled late helmet to helmet hit from Phillips of NW,and caused a fumble).

In 2009 at Kinnick, Iowa led 10-0 when Ricky was injured on another play that cost Iowa 7 points,and Stanzi for the regular season,when another uncalled face mask would have left Iowa with a first down and still up 10-0,but an injured Stanzi on another dirty play by NW.

There are unique reasons for each of these losses. In 2005 Iowa blew a 13 pt lead with a few minutes to play...onside kick coverage was poor.
The only game in the last 6 that NW actually outplayed Iowa was 2006.
Iowa should have been 5-1 in that stretch. Freaky crap happens...and must stop happening.

Good analysis. Hardly NW dominance in that strech. More like some good fortune for NW, bad fortune for Iowa, and Iowa also asleep at the switch at times. Losses shouldn't be forgiven, but can't be chalked up to NW controlling Iowa in any of them, save one (the fat cats year).

 

[tm3308]

Good analysis. Hardly NW dominance in that strech. More like some good fortune for NW, bad fortune for Iowa, and Iowa also asleep at the switch at times. Losses shouldn't be forgiven, but can't be chalked up to NW controlling Iowa in any of them, save one (the fat cats year).

I'd agree that NW typically benefits from some good fortune against us. It's just some kind of jinx, like what we have with Penn State. But we need to stop putting ourselves in the position where one lucky bounce/injury/whatever tips the scale. That's just asking for trouble, especially against NW.

 

[silvanthalas]

Fitz is the new McCarney. He flat out wants it more than Ferentz does.

But that is only a part of it. The other part is exactly what CAAR pointed out: Fitz also has a system that can beat us, too.

It's getting to be about as bad as PSU fans wondering why the hell we beat 'em almost every year now.

 

[BlckNGldHwk]

Would you rather: lose to isu this year or lose to northwestern again?

 

[CAARHawk]

The 2005 team was yucking it up on the sidelines during the game. The announcers saw it and commented. The coaches should have put a stop to that and got control of their team. Basically, they acted like they had won with time still on the clock and got their ***es handed to them.

The facemask on Ricky was post fumble. The fumble was caused by NW knowing that Iowa runs that bootleg out of that formation and blowing it up. Shonn's fumble and concussion were caused because Iowa got predictable and NW was able to tee off. Each of those plays involved some element of dirty play, but they were also guys stepping in and being in exactly the right place at the right time. Maybe KF just needs to imagine Fitz as a little baby or a puppy dog.

Last year's NW game was largely dictated by weather. Almost all the points were scored with the wind,which was very strong. That was only interupted when Iowa had the wind in the second quarter,and then a downpour occurred,which shut down Iowa offense. Iowa dominated the 3rd qtr with the wind,built a lead,then NW had the wind down the stretch,which was huge. Bad luck again for the Hawks at NW.

In 2008 at Kinnick, Iowa dominated much of the game,but 5 turnovers and Shonn Green's concussion(on a play that he took an uncalled late helmet to helmet hit from Phillips of NW,and caused a fumble).

In 2009 at Kinnick, Iowa led 10-0 when Ricky was injured on another play that cost Iowa 7 points,and Stanzi for the regular season,when another uncalled face mask would have left Iowa with a first down and still up 10-0,but an injured Stanzi on another dirty play by NW.

There are unique reasons for each of these losses. In 2005 Iowa blew a 13 pt lead with a few minutes to play...onside kick coverage was poor.
The only game in the last 6 that NW actually outplayed Iowa was 2006.
Iowa should have been 5-1 in that stretch. Freaky crap happens...and must stop happening.

 

[MultipleDundieAwardWinner]

I'd agree that NW typically benefits from some good fortune against us. It's just some kind of jinx, like what we have with Penn State. But we need to stop putting ourselves in the position where one lucky bounce/injury/whatever tips the scale. That's just asking for trouble, especially against NW.

A jinx? Really? Do you hear yourself?

Maybe one game could be called bad luck. But when you get owned every year, you have to acknowledge the other team has you figured out. You don't need Jobu to break a curse, your team needs to adjust, or the same thing will keep happening.

 

[JHHawk]

Correct me if I am wrong,but even if a facemask is post-fumble,like a roughing the passer might be post interception, it would still negate the entire play,right?

I will not sit here and say that freaky luck is the only factor in NW wins...they do seem to match up well vs Iowa on both sides of the ball,and so our coaching staff does need to figure that out,starting this year.

As for the 2005 game, I was at that one,and there was a couple of bad calls in that game that really affected the outcome.
End of first half and Iowa was driving down by their goal line,with seconds to go, have a guy go out of bounds with the ball,but the refs kept the clock running for some insane reason,saying that the ball carrier was stopped before going out...not even close. That caused Iowa to settle for a field goal to go up 24-7 vs going up 28-7. We lose 28-27. It was a horrible call,and seemed meaningless,but it cost us. Also the late hit by Greenway was a fake job by Bazenez....so I honestly do not think the celebrating by Greenway and Shada on the sideline was that big of a deal.

 

[CAARHawk]

It would still nullify the play, but people seem to think that was what caused the sack and turnover. It was an All-American knowing Iowa had a blind bootleg they were going to run his way. The success of that play is predicated on the end crashing down. If he doesn't it is that guy and the QB.

 

[tm3308]

A jinx? Really? Do you hear yourself?

Maybe one game could be called bad luck. But when you get owned every year, you have to acknowledge the other team has you figured out. You don't need Jobu to break a curse, your team needs to adjust, or the same thing will keep happening.

Northwestern has consistently gotten the favorable bounces in games against Iowa in the last few years. They've gotten all the breaks (A lot like Iowa-PSU. Seriously, Iowa shouldn't be beating Penn State as consistently as we do.). Iowa needs to adjust so that the game isn't decided by one or two breaks, but Northwestern gets those breaks.

 

[MultipleDundieAwardWinner]

Northwestern has consistently gotten the favorable bounces in games against Iowa in the last few years. They've gotten all the breaks (A lot like Iowa-PSU. Seriously, Iowa shouldn't be beating Penn State as consistently as we do.). Iowa needs to adjust so that the game isn't decided by one or two breaks, but Northwestern gets those breaks.

I hate to, but I have to ask out of grotesque curiosity. Do you honestly believe what you're trying to sell me?

 

[tm3308]

I hate to, but I have to ask out of grotesque curiosity. Do you honestly believe what you're trying to sell me?

Considering that almost every one of Northwestern's wins are by less than 7 points (save for 2006, when they flat-out outplayed us), yes I do. If Iowa doesn't stop letting the game be decided by one or two breaks that could go either way, then we are going to keep getting beat by Northwestern.

 

[MultipleDundieAwardWinner]

Considering that almost every one of Northwestern's wins are by less than 7 points (save for 2006 and 2007, when they flat-out outplayed us), yes I do. If Iowa doesn't stop letting the game be decided by one or two breaks that could go either way, then we are going to keep getting beat by Northwestern.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[trj]

It would still nullify the play, but people seem to think that was what caused the sack and turnover. It was an All-American knowing Iowa had a blind bootleg they were going to run his way. The success of that play is predicated on the end crashing down. If he doesn't it is that guy and the QB.

I'm having a brain fart right now I can't remember the fullback's name, but he completely whiffed on the block of Corey Wooten. I am not sure if the fullback was suppose to chip him or outright block him, whatever the case it left Stanzi completely exposed.

Yeah, Wooten knew the Iowa tendencies, but it was still a heck of a play. Wooten was a stud before he got hurt and a very good player after.

 

[tm3308]

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

Right, players like Stanzi and Greene having to leave the game because of injury isn't a bit of good fortune for Northwestern

 

[Section136]

Considering that almost every one of Northwestern's wins are by less than 7 points (save for 2006 and 2007, when they flat-out outplayed us), yes I do. If Iowa doesn't stop letting the game be decided by one or two breaks that could go either way, then we are going to keep getting beat by Northwestern.

We won in Evanston in 2007.

 

[tm3308]

We won in Evanston in 2007.

Whoops

 

[hawkfan2679]

I'm having a brain fart right now I can't remember the fullback's name, but he completely whiffed on the block of Corey Wooten. I am not sure if the fullback was suppose to chip him or outright block him, whatever the case it left Stanzi completely exposed.

You are right. I think there was both a TE and FB to that side (which almost completely eliminated the possibility that Wooten would chase that all the way down the line, which tells me it wasn't a naked boot, but a boot where one of the two were supposed to block him). I think Leppert was the FB and maybe Reisner at TE? I can't recall exactly either...**EDIT - Just looked at it...it was Morse and Reisner.**

Another key that one of them is supposed to block Wooten is that they both release to the flat area, which is a no-no for pass concepts. Allowing the flat defender to cover 2 guys? One of them wasn't supposed to be there...

 

[trj]

You are right. I think there was both a TE and FB to that side (which almost completely eliminated the possibility that Wooten would chase that all the way down the line, which tells me it wasn't a naked boot, but a boot where one of the two were supposed to block him). I think Leppert was the FB and maybe Reisner at TE? I can't recall exactly either...**EDIT - Just looked at it...it was Morse and Reisner.**

Another key that one of them is supposed to block Wooten is that they both release to the flat area, which is a no-no for pass concepts. Allowing the flat defender to cover 2 guys? One of them wasn't supposed to be there...

Morse is the guy I was thinking of. Essentially, it was a busted play that got Stanzi hurt more so than Wooten knowing Iowa's tendencies.