Let's admit it, Todd Lickliter is a horrible coach. He can't figure out why we have so many turnovers. Our turnovers are actually double what the stats show because we have to take heave shots to beat the shot clock. In my opinion those are the same as a turnover. Why don't we try taking the first open shot we have instead of trying to run the shot clock down and then just heaving it up. Or maybe once run the ball up the floor and see if we can't get an open shot instead of walking it up and passing it around until the shot clock runs out or we throw it away. Also lets try to go toward the basket with the ball instead of toward the ten second line. This is so frustrating to watch the worse basketball in school history.
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blkngoldUofI
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Make sure to put your app in next time the job comes open, sounds like you have good start to solving the problems that need fixing.
GhostofBTT
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IowaFanSince82
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I have no statement on this topic. My patience is running thin with this guy, i don't know how much more of the standing around, ball screen, pass, ball screen, pass, ball screen, shot offense we run! It is getting pathetic, i mean doesn't he have any "set" plays in his offense? Our OB plays are pathetic as well, we always throw it over half court and then have to bring it back up the court!
HeneryHawk
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I would suggest rolling the ball down the floor and knock down the opposing players like bowling pins, catch the rebound and fast break it in, preferrably a dunk.
burky247
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How much would you charge to install this system? I'm not sure how effective it would be. But it sounds a jillion times more entertaining than what we are witnessing now.(*admittedly I had to google the word "dunk" as I had completely forgotten what that word meant. Also saw some references to "fast break". Am in the process of investigating that term as well).
hawkdoctor
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Gosh, just a week ago we had turned the corner and was headed to the NCAA Tourney next year! I've been away from the board. What happened?
tweeterhawk
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Now that's a good one, thar. LOL.
ForeverHawk
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Just add a few more posters in this thread and the entire HaterNation would be represented??? Great Job!!! Yeah you win coach of the year by being a bad coach. I don't care where it happened, who it happened with or who they played. He won the DI National Coach of the Year Award!
Edited Post: To take out NewMexHawk's name. I saw another thread on this site that I found to be logical and not of the hater nature at all!!! Fair Balance!
Edited Post: To take out NewMexHawk's name. I saw another thread on this site that I found to be logical and not of the hater nature at all!!! Fair Balance!
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burky247
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Ah yes. Now it's officially a thread. Who cares if we have plummeted to the lowest point of Iowa basketball history. Who cares if this offense is ridiculous to watch, with no flow or movement involved. Who cares that, even with Carver at it's highest capacity Wednesday night, it was still a dead atmosphere because of the boring style of play putting the fans to sleep. He won Coach of the Year somewhere else so everything is fine.
George Ravelling won it somewhere else as well. With the exception of his recruiting, I didn't see anything special about his time in Iowa City. It's an award given out simply for the production of one season. It's not a Hall of Fame inductment award of some kind. Bruce Weber won it as well but I hear talk from both this site and Illinois' site about his glaring inconsistencies.
I don't mind if people are happy with Lick. I don't understand it from a basketball standpoint. But I don't mind it. But I'm tired of being expected to close my eyes to what is happening and having blind faith just because of an irrelevant award.
There are enough people with their heads in the sand. You don't need me.
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JonDMiller
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Todd is not a horrible coach. Check out his final season at Butler...you don't get to be a bad coach at a Horizon school and beat Indiana, Gonzaga, Notre Dame, Tennessee, etc, and they gave Florida their best game of the tournament that year.
Todd happens to have inherited a program that was at its lowest point in over three decades, and he has not been able to retain key players, he has not been able to recruit at the level he needs to recruit at in this league to even be a middle tier team.
Here is why Iowa is turning the ball over; teams have no respect for them off the dribble. None. You get to play aggressively then, without fear of someone taking you to the rack. Iowa has one true point guard. There is a reason why Iowa has to start its offense so much farther away from the hoop than many of its Big Ten bretheren; lack of players that can hurt you off the dribble.
Therefore, Iowa doesn't see a lot of open looks...so taking the first open look is tough...I agree with Kelser yesterday, early in the game...Iowa's first open look was 4 minutes into the game.
This is not going to turn around until they get players into the program that can either hurt teams off the dribble, or everyone on the floor can stick jump shots....which is what you saw with his Butler teams...AJ Graves was a capable point guard, and their two, three, four and five could stick jumpers.
And the last thing Iowa needs to do is to get into an up and down game with anyone.
I am sorry, and I understand being frustrated, but your suggestions do not fit with what Iowa's problem areas are. You are waving magic wands here.
JonDMiller
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Alford shoved out? Please. Things were at their worst point since the early 1970's in the final stages of the Alford era...with regards to fan interest, lagging attendance, and lack of success in the NCAA tournament (getting there). Alford took the first best chance out of town that offered him the job. He would have been gone to Missouri or Indiana the year prior had they offered him the job.
And things have gotten worse under Lickliter's watch.
tmurph2643
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the only thing I question about lick's coaching ability is out of bounds plays coming out of timeouts. I don't know that i have ever watched an iowa team struggle to inbound the ball as much as they have the past couple years. I know stormin did a great analysis of an out of bounds play in lick's first year... but wow, I have been astonished at how bad we are at this.
hawkdoctor
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Jon, please the worst since 1970's. He had 25 wins the year before he left and was 9-7 in the big ten his last year. I'd say the first team he inherited from TD was more void of talent. You're right in what has happened since Alford left. He can't keep players nor has he recruited them. Hopefully, that changes with the new class coming in.
HawkFantastic
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I like what Jon has to say.
Having said that- IF ANY player leaves this year who has not completed their eligibility then Todd Lickliter WILL NOT get it done here.
If you've watched this team all year you can tell players are getting better. The team is getting better. What I'll never understand is his player rotation.
Having said that- IF ANY player leaves this year who has not completed their eligibility then Todd Lickliter WILL NOT get it done here.
If you've watched this team all year you can tell players are getting better. The team is getting better. What I'll never understand is his player rotation.
hawkeye12345
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Jon, I can understand you trying to appease the Lick lovers a little but the low point in Iowa basketball history is now not three years ago. Do you really believe that three years ago we were worse than we are today?
Getting the players here AND keeping them here is the problem. Everyone talks about how great next years recruiting class is going to be but in all fairness it's not going to be rated in the top 30 in the country and may end up outside the top 40 when it's all said and done. That would have been a nice start three years ago but he's been here for 3 years now.
Edit: I don't think Lick is horrible, I just don't think he is good enough for major conference play.
Iowa made the NCAA tourny in 2005 and 2006...SA left in 2007...and that is the worst run of making the tourny since the 70's? Attendance actually trended slightly upward the last two seasons of SA...the low point was in 2005...until it dropped off the table when lick arrived.
Now, I agree the NCAA tourny drought in 02,03,04 was a low point,but Iowa had come out of that trough by making it in 05 and 06 and even in 04 and 07 Iowa did have a winning Big Ten record. I just do not see how that last 4 years of Bru,Horner,Adam and Tyler Smith was the low point in the program...those were some pretty fun teams looking back.
TheBattman
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Worst Coach?? Ehhhhh probably not, However, compounded with the worst facilities in America, walking into a pretty bad situation, with an impatient fanbase has equated to the Iowa version of Barry Collier.
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burky247
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Good post! It amazes me how a great season was completely wiped out of everyone's mind simply because of a first round upset in the NCAA Tourney. Don't get me wrong, that game broke my heart as well. And still makes me sick thinking about it. But the atmosphere in Carver that year was unbelievable. Winning the BT tourney that year was incredible. Losing in the first round sucked. But it's not like the players were not ready to play or anything. The coaches had them prepared. We just let off the accelerator. Upsets happen every year in the tourney. For some reason, we felt immune to that.
I always wondered what would have happened had we held on to win against NW St., but than lost in the next round. Would that have been enough to please everyone? Or was it going to take a sweet 16 for people to be satisfied? Or more?
