Withold Your Expectations
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You know, that is not good enough. If that was the expectation, then Batta should have just kept Lick and saved the department money. We don't need another slow build up. We need a guy who can get players now. Other coaches can do it.
FM is 50. I just don't see how he is going to build excitement for recruits if his first 2 teams cannot compete. He needs to dance with the devil and hire an assistant that has immediate locks on 2011 blue chippers. Hire some guy who will want to move on in a couple of years so he can't cause too much damage.
I am sorry, but I don't ascribe to the belief that coaching changes mean you have to lose your best players and recruits and play with a depleted roster, and build a program painfully slow. That is a defeatest position and success will not come with that mindset, particularly when you are talking about going to a running system. He needs athletes now! He also needs assistants! He has hired a guy who has basically only worked for him for a few years and has never recruited a blue chip athlete. Fine if that is the third guy on te bench, but not good if number one and two aren't bringing in the big guns.
FM is 50. I just don't see how he is going to build excitement for recruits if his first 2 teams cannot compete. He needs to dance with the devil and hire an assistant that has immediate locks on 2011 blue chippers. Hire some guy who will want to move on in a couple of years so he can't cause too much damage.
I am sorry, but I don't ascribe to the belief that coaching changes mean you have to lose your best players and recruits and play with a depleted roster, and build a program painfully slow. That is a defeatest position and success will not come with that mindset, particularly when you are talking about going to a running system. He needs athletes now! He also needs assistants! He has hired a guy who has basically only worked for him for a few years and has never recruited a blue chip athlete. Fine if that is the third guy on te bench, but not good if number one and two aren't bringing in the big guns.
busabus114
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You do realize that if Lick stayed on Fuller, Brommer and possibly Gatens were all leaving? I cant believe some people like you are already calling this a failed experiment.
jshawks
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I cannot believe the doom and gloom of some of our fan base. It amazes me that we have this vocal minority that cannot see the forest for the trees. So many of us (myself included) were down on Lick and his "system" and the fact that he couldn't recruit the talent we needed to compete in the Big 10. The fans asked for a coaching change and got it, once again. Now that we have lost a recruit and a current player (that was going to leave anyway) the vocal minority is running around like chicken little claiming the sky is falling. Everyone knew what a train wreck the Iowa basketball program has become, so any expectations of a quick turn around were overblown to begin with. Yet the doom and gloomers are down on Caff for the loss of 1 of Lick's recruits and one and possibly more players that weren't giving us a competetive edge in the Big 10 anyway! For my money this simply opens up schollies and allows Caff to recruit his players for a quicker turn around. I have no doubt he will bring in talent, the only thing his team will lack initially is experience.
As far as I'm concerned, let the house cleaning begin!
As far as I'm concerned, let the house cleaning begin!
1977Hawkeye
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Exactly. It's obvious that we were never going to compete with Lickliter as our coach, and a change had to be made. I guess this is the fallout that is occuring from making a coaching change, and we need to give FM a chance to do his thing. He doesn't even have all of his assistants hired yet, for Pete's sake. None of this is great news of course, but let's see who Fran hires for assistant coaches, what kind of talent they can bring in, and how things come together the next couple of years before we slit our wrists.
I think it is hilarious how some of you hear any negative comment
and just see it as doom and gloom.
LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE SAID CONSISTENTLY!
1) Over the last three weeks - Fuller and Larson are going to thrive in this offense.
2) Also over the last three weeks - FM needs to go get a Kenny Hasbrouk type player NOW!
3) He needs to hire a recruiter with strong AAU ties who can bring in top talent.
4) Succesful coaches build their programs in the first year.
Now, # 1 is gone. So, 2,3,& 4 become that much more important. That IS NOT DOOM AND GLOOM! It is an honest assesment of the status of the program. You might not agree, but don't just discount it as thoughtless pessimism.
Funny thing is, the people who are criticizing my opinions seem to be adopting the view of uncritical optimism. "So what if the best player and recruit are bailing. That just means we will get better players!" However, there is no evidence this will happen.
and just see it as doom and gloom.
LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE SAID CONSISTENTLY!
1) Over the last three weeks - Fuller and Larson are going to thrive in this offense.
2) Also over the last three weeks - FM needs to go get a Kenny Hasbrouk type player NOW!
3) He needs to hire a recruiter with strong AAU ties who can bring in top talent.
4) Succesful coaches build their programs in the first year.
Now, # 1 is gone. So, 2,3,& 4 become that much more important. That IS NOT DOOM AND GLOOM! It is an honest assesment of the status of the program. You might not agree, but don't just discount it as thoughtless pessimism.
Funny thing is, the people who are criticizing my opinions seem to be adopting the view of uncritical optimism. "So what if the best player and recruit are bailing. That just means we will get better players!" However, there is no evidence this will happen.
HaydenHawk56
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I understand what you are saying CARR. I think there is valid reason to be concerned over these latest losses. Players can and do leave as a result of coaching changes. But, because those things happen, it does not necessarily mean it is a good thing either. My concern is what happened with selling the program to the players that have decommitted from the program? Why are they leaving? Why could Fran not seal the deal with them?
I am not ready to say the sky is falling and this will necessarily define Fran's legacy at Iowa. But, if 3-5 years from now Fran is failing at Iowa, I will certainly point to these latest losses as one of the reasons for it.
The sky is not falling, but losing these guys may not be a good thing and something we should not easily dismiss in the same breath.
I am still glad Lickliter is gone though. I saw no hope under him at all.
I am not ready to say the sky is falling and this will necessarily define Fran's legacy at Iowa. But, if 3-5 years from now Fran is failing at Iowa, I will certainly point to these latest losses as one of the reasons for it.
The sky is not falling, but losing these guys may not be a good thing and something we should not easily dismiss in the same breath.
I am still glad Lickliter is gone though. I saw no hope under him at all.
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CRhawkeye4life
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No way should Barta have kept Lickliter, if he did next years attendance would have been worse, we probably still lost Fuller, Larson and maybe more and at the end of the season we would be talking about the 4 worst seasons in Iowa Basketball History
tm3308
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Reeon is saying that 3 years from now we may be able to expect an NCAA tournament. Lickliter, after 3 years, showed no hope of making it even after year 4. Big difference between expecting to be there in 3 years and having no hope of making it in 5.
