With Garmon committing..

BSpringsteen

BSpringsteen

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I have to say that I am fairly impressed with the recruiting efforts the last two years given the record on the field.

It almost appears recruiting is getting better than ever. Now we just need to keep em on campus.
 
too bad okeefe and ferentz will never update their gameplan
7-5, here we come...again, and again, and again
 
That game plan takes on a little bit different dimension when being run by players of a higher caliber.
 
BSpringsteen said:
I have to say that I am fairly impressed with the recruiting efforts the last two years given the record on the field.

It almost appears recruiting is getting better than ever. Now we just need to keep em on campus.
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That's the big thing is keeping them on campus, which means if they are good enough to play, get them some experience and play them.

Don't think recruits don't see the draft and how many Hawks are on NFL rosters.
 
Iowa gets good players as Garmon adds to that list. This isn't the 70's or 80's. It's not as hard for Iowa to get talent as some want to believe.
 
I don't disagree Patrick - it's just that our recuriting seems to not be effected by this little downturn.
 
Darboh is a good receiver but so are at least some of Iowa's commitments at that position. I really like Wilson out of Ohio. He appears to have the big play potential we usually lack at WR.
 
DexterMorgan said:
Without a doubt the position I'm most worried about for the future is Wide Receiver.
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I really like the WR's we have gotten so far in this class and I have this gut feeling that Hillyer is going to be a star and KMart is only going to be a sophomore next year.

If Marcus Grant would not have transferred I would be very excited about our crop of WR's, now im just happy with what we have.
 
JonDMiller said:
Execution, perhaps?
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But Jon, don't you think there is something a little off about running a game plan that takes 4 and 5 star recruits or NFL talent to "execute" at a high enough level to be successful, while at the same time talking about how Iowa City isn't "sexy," doesn't have beaches?

The whole Iowa has to make do with less talent because it's too hard to recruit mantra.

These two ideas seem to be at odds with each other.

This is where the frustration comes in for the side that can't understand why there can't be at least a little adaptation/tweaks to fit the talent Iowa has. Play to the strength of the players, not the strength of the inanimate system.
 
Section136 said:
I really like the WR's we have gotten so far in this class and I have this gut feeling that Hillyer is going to be a star and KMart is only going to be a sophomore next year.

If Marcus Grant would not have transferred I would be very excited about our crop of WR's, now im just happy with what we have.
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I certainly see potential for some solid Wrs. I don't see a great WR.
 
last 3 yrs recruiting
2009 4 4*recruits
2010 3 4* recruits
2011 4 4* recruits
2012 4 4* and counting
and none of them have left
that make a minimum of 15 4*'s on the roster next fall, maybe more if Lambert, Kozan, O'Conner or maybe Diamond
as for WR Smith is only a 3 because he is a post graduate kid and they as a rule get reevaluated, Mabin is 6'2 4.4 40 as is Wilson from Ohio
lets face it all 3 are 6'2 and run 4.4 40's, Iowa hasn't had that kind of speed at their disposal before, at least in that kind of quantity, also i like Florida speedy WR's
 
hawkeyeguy85 said:
But Jon, don't you think there is something a little off about running a game plan that takes 4 and 5 star recruits or NFL talent to "execute" at a high enough level to be successful, while at the same time talking about how Iowa City isn't "sexy," doesn't have beaches?

The whole Iowa has to make do with less talent because it's too hard to recruit mantra.

These two ideas seem to be at odds with each other.

This is where the frustration comes in for the side that can't understand why there can't be at least a little adaptation/tweaks to fit the talent Iowa has. Play to the strength of the players, not the strength of the inanimate system.
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Not at all. It doesn't matter if you are a 5-star top 25 recruit or a no-name walk on, you still have to execute in order to be successful on a D1 college football team. Entitlement gets you nowhere.

Also, don't think Iowa doesn't tweak the system to play towards the strengths of it's players. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
 
herbyhawk said:
last 3 yrs recruiting
2009 4 4*recruits
2010 3 4* recruits
2011 4 4* recruits
2012 4 4* and counting
and none of them have left
that make a minimum of 15 4*'s on the roster next fall, maybe more if Lambert, Kozan, O'Conner or maybe Diamond
as for WR Smith is only a 3 because he is a post graduate kid and they as a rule get reevaluated, Mabin is 6'2 4.4 40 as is Wilson from Ohio
lets face it all 3 are 6'2 and run 4.4 40's, Iowa hasn't had that kind of speed at their disposal before, at least in that kind of quantity, also i like Florida speedy WR's
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You say last 3 years recruiting but then list 2009-2012 which is actually 4 years.

2009 4 Stars: Wegher and Keenan. Wegher has left.

2010 4 Stars: Coker, Derby, Donnal, CJ

2011 4 Stars: Blythe, Coe, Hamilton and Walsh. Coe never made it to campus.

2012 4 Stars: Faith, Garmon, Johnson and Ward.

That makes 12- 4 star kids on the roster by my count from the last 4 recruiting classes as of now and Diamond is not coming to Iowa.

And how on earth do you know if kids from Ohio and Florida are underrated prospects? Just basing it off of height and 40 times?
 
AdamHawk said:
Not at all. It doesn't matter if you are a 5-star top 25 recruit or a no-name walk on, you still have to execute in order to be successful on a D1 college football team. Entitlement gets you nowhere.

Also, don't think Iowa doesn't tweak the system to play towards the strengths of it's players. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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1. You're being a little disingenuous if you are saying that the level of execution isn't different between a walk-on and a 5-star. You're confusing effort with execution. Yeah, a walk-on can become a better player because the 5-star doesn't put forth the effort, but all things being equal, Alabama can execute at a higher level than say, Idaho.

2. I think there have been several times when plenty have felt square pegs were being jammed into round holes, or the staff wasn't exactly tailoring everything as well as they could to get the best 11 on the field at once. I think Jon has mentioned and written about this before.

3. All of the quotes below seem to indicate that Iowa's system needs better talent to run efficiently. While that is likely true, all I'm saying is that Iowa's system tends to produce situations in which the margin for error becomes a little more razor thin than it needs. And, when you're trying to compete against other schools that have talent and recruiting advantages, it is tough to reason why doing things that almost tie one of your own hands behind your back is a very good idea.

GhostofGhost said:
too bad okeefe and ferentz will never update their gameplan
7-5, here we come...again, and again, and again
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dwh5er said:
That game plan takes on a little bit different dimension when being run by players of a higher caliber.
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JonDMiller said:
Execution, perhaps?
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None of this is to say "scrap the whole thing." Just freshen up a bit. Maybe get a new haircut.

Do some things so that every opposing coach can't say, "Yeah, we knew exactly what was coming" thus forcing 22 players to "execute" flawlessly.

At some point people need to subscribe to one of two ideas.

1) Iowa doesn't have a problem recruiting high-level talent and recruiting is not a disadvantage here.

OR

2) Iowa's game plan is too complex or doesn't have a large enough margin of error to be consistently successful at Iowa.

Too often, Jon included, and maybe even myself included, people spout off about how the coaches and schemes are just fine you just need better players, look at 2009, 02-04 (NFL-loaded rosters).

But then the next day, we're ******** about how Iowa can't be expected to have defenses that are best in the nation and filled with NFL talent. Something just doesn't fit there.
 
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