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I think it's another log on the fire that the conference that claims to be high and mighty is having a tough offseason. It's going to be a narrative this season.
 
RobHowe said:
I think it's another log on the fire that the conference that claims to be high and mighty is having a tough offseason. It's going to be a narrative this season.
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My low-value opinion is that this stuff and worse (not sure what this situation is about obviously) has been going on in every conference since the beginning of sports.

Only now kids are getting caught more often and/or being disciplined more. It’s in the spotlight now because coaches and administrators fear being shredded to death by journalists on twitter trying to make their big break by uncovering a scandal. So...to preempt their own scrutinization and save their own asses, people get thrown under busses with vigor. Some deserve it, some maybe not.

In either case, the behavior is nothing new. The twitter pitch forkers are just more numerous and louder than before.
 
Fryowa said:
My low-value opinion is that this stuff and worse (not sure what this situation is about obviously) has been going on in every conference since the beginning of sports.

Only now kids are getting caught more often and/or being disciplined more. It’s in the spotlight now because coaches and administrators fear being shredded to death by journalists on twitter trying to make their big break by uncovering a scandal. So...to preempt their own scrutinization and save their own asses, people get thrown under busses with vigor. Some deserve it, some maybe not.

In either case, the behavior is nothing new. The twitter pitch forkers are just more numerous and louder than before.
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Yup that's pretty dead on. Bigger deals are made of it now and less stuff is over looked. That said as often as kids are getting caught who's to say what percentage of stuff is still going on that's not?
 
The narrative doesn’t always fit reality.

Whether or not it’s going on everywhere, the Big Ten is in a cycle of poop right now. That’s the narrative. And it will he talked about.
 
RobHowe said:
The narrative doesn’t always fit reality.

Whether or not it’s going on everywhere, the Big Ten is in a cycle of poop right now. That’s the narrative. And it will he talked about.
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Do you think there will come a day where the NCAA is the body handing out punishment instead of schools? One would almost have to think it's coming and I'd bet everything would get stricter.

Like...any type of assault is 1 year, OWI is a half year, any sexual crime is expulsion from sports, etc?

Or would that drive more cover-ups?
 
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RobHowe said:
The narrative doesn’t always fit reality.

Whether or not it’s going on everywhere, the Big Ten is in a cycle of poop right now. That’s the narrative. And it will he talked about.
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It's still bs. Somebody wants to say anything, I would counter with well at least we are open about it and deal with it instead of sweeping it under the rug.
That OSU thing is bs. We all knew he wouldn't get fired (not saying he should have) but holy Jesus what a friggin scum bag. I hope every team knocks his **** in the dirt until they do fire him.
I can't stand ***holes. Tough guy, have to prove it on women or kids? Then you have people "men" (I use the term very loosely) that take pictures or don't do anything about it. Don't report it or fire the guy?
Friggin ***hole and a coward.
 
Fryowa said:
Do you think there will come a day where the NCAA is the body handing out punishment instead of schools?
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Never. The NCAA answers to the schools, not the other way around. The money in sports is driven by 40 or so football programs and the basketball tournament.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Never. The NCAA answers to the schools, not the other way around. The money in sports is driven by 40 or so football programs and the basketball tournament.
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They already dish out punishment for the non-behavioral stuff. This wouldn’t be a lot different. If the Urban Meyer and Rick Pitino stuff keeps happening, which it will, outside forces might not let the NCAA continue to allow schools to self-police athletes and coaches. Separate issue, but we already have Condoleeza Rice trying to force the NCAA’s hand and it’s working.
 
Fryowa said:
Do you think there will come a day where the NCAA is the body handing out punishment instead of schools? One would almost have to think it's coming and I'd bet everything would get stricter.

Like, any type of assault is 1 year, OWI is a half year, any sexual crime is expulsion from sports, etc?

Or would that drive more cover-ups?
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I get that an owi is serious. But let's not even begin to use it in the same sentence as wife beating, rape, crimes against children and violent crimes in general.
That's part of the problem.
Devalued perspective on what type of person does those types of crimes and the billions of people who have driven after a little to much.
That's stupid and the main and rightful complaint about how a little weed can get you the same sentence as a rapist. Wtf??
 
Fryowa said:
They already dish out punishment for the non-behavioral stuff. This wouldn’t be a lot different. If the Urban Meyer and Rick Pitino stuff keeps happening, which it will, outside forces might not let the NCAA continue to allow schools to self-police athletes and coaches. Separate issue, but we already have Condoleeza Rice trying to force the NCAA’s hand and it’s working.
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At the end of the day, the schools hold the upper hand. If the P5 decides to take their ball and start their own sanctioning body, nothing is stopping them.
 
4thngoal said:
I get that an owi is serious. But let's not even begin to use it in the same sentence as wife beating, rape, crimes against children and violent crimes in general.
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Not only that, but there is different severity. Like when that kid from OU clocked that woman, it objectively looked like she laid hands on him first and the guy just reacted, yet he's now forever branded a monster because a bunch of white knight betas want to "have a discussion about gender related violence" and march around wearing pink hats. The last thing we need is some further removed bureaucracy doling out punishments based on some mandatory minimum chart.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Not only that, but there is different severity. Like when that kid from OU clocked that woman, it objectively looked like she laid hands on him first and the guy just reacted, yet he's now forever branded a monster because a bunch of white knight betas want to "have a discussion about gender related violence" and march around wearing pink hats. The last thing we need is some further removed bureaucracy doling out punishments based on some mandatory minimum chart.
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The moral majority that enacts the laws are anything but moral.
That's the truth of the matter.
 
4thngoal said:
I get that an owi is serious. But let's not even begin to use it in the same sentence as wife beating, rape, crimes against children and violent crimes in general.
That's part of the problem.
Devalued perspective on what type of person does those types of crimes and the billions of people who have driven after a little to much.
That's stupid and the main and rightful complaint about how a little weed can get you the same sentence as a rapist. Wtf??
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Whoa whoa whoa, man

I wasn't comparing it to those. I was just picking examples out of thin air.
 
4thngoal said:
I get that an owi is serious. But let's not even begin to use it in the same sentence as wife beating, rape, crimes against children and violent crimes in general.
That's part of the problem.
Devalued perspective on what type of person does those types of crimes and the billions of people who have driven after a little to much.
That's stupid and the main and rightful complaint about how a little weed can get you the same sentence as a rapist. Wtf??
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Seriously?
Alcohol related deaths per year: 88000

Drunk Driving about 10000

Rape Victims per year about 80000

Women killed by husbands per year about 1500.

OK OWI isn't a problem. Got it.
 
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