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olddude

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enough of an improvement, or where do you think we will end up.

2012
PF 19.3
PA 22.9

I think if we can get to a PA of 21, that would be a great improvement given who we play in 2013.
As for PF, we have to get up around 28 to 31 to have much success. If the second year of GD cant get us up around 24-28, I will not support a 3rd year. If he can, he is doing well and if he can surpass 28, we need to talk contract.
FYI and so some of you can back off our D a bit, even thou they are young, they gave up 22.9 and OSU gave up 22.8. So anybody that does not think our D is going to be very good in the future, take that weak **** and GTFO
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
PF 23
PA 21

Given the increase in SOS, very respectible.
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Well we are close to the same thought. I put the very bottom at 24. We had 19 this year and one extra, td/extra point one game and a fg the next, on avg would come to 5 more per game and bump it to 24.
I dont think that is to far out of line for 7 more in half the games and 3 more in the other half.
I would really like to see the D come in under 21, it is doable, but it is not going to be easy. The whole team needs to start off fast and never let up. Cant have these slow starts and have the non cons be close. I think if they can get it going day 1 and build some momentum it will really help.
 
I haven't given up on the D, but I have no reason to believe a KF offense can ever hold up its end of the deal, barring some miracle player.
 
MoseSchrute said:
I haven't given up on the D, but I have no reason to believe a KF offense can ever hold up its end of the deal, barring some miracle player.
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I do think you are exactly right. With no real ability to divert from the "chart" were going to continue to need the D to score points or get takeaways in FG range if we want any sort of chance to score regularly.
 
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FreedComanche said:
This is all moot or wishful thinking or both as long as there's no change at the top.

FreedComanche
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We can all agree that '10-'12 were either a disappointing underachievement or flat out bad. But i dont think its completely unrealistic to think the Hawks can improve again under KF, simply given the fact it's happened twice before.

I will be the first to admit that kf has poor with clock management too many times, seemingly a bit to conservative at times, and too loyal to certain upperclassmen, and i am very concerned about GD and the hire...time will tell.

...all that conceded, while having some skepticism, i still believe he can right the ship....

I could be wrong though. Again, cant say i like the results the last couple years, nor '10, and even '05-'06 was tough to defend.

Oline, Dline and what we get at qb will be the make/break.

I'll be watching...wishing...hoping...probably with angst.

Go Hawks
 
Billso said:
Who cares. Just win.
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olddude said:
Well we are close to the same thought. I put the very bottom at 24. We had 19 this year and one extra, td/extra point one game and a fg the next, on avg would come to 5 more per game and bump it to 24.
I dont think that is to far out of line for 7 more in half the games and 3 more in the other half.
I would really like to see the D come in under 21, it is doable, but it is not going to be easy. The whole team needs to start off fast and never let up. Cant have these slow starts and have the non cons be close. I think if they can get it going day 1 and build some momentum it will really help.
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Have to agree with Billso here. Our PF/PA averages weren't great in '09, largely because we had close games with UNI, Arkansas State and others. I'm with olddude that non-con blowouts (may be wishful thinking at this point) would be nice to see again, but at the same time, Minnesota's early 2000s teams with Glen Mason had some pretty impressive scoring figures by bombing some cupcakes and then going 6-6.

Next year, I'll probably take 6-6 in a heartbeat, but if we paste a few non-cons, we may even be at 24/21 for PF/PA going 4-8 again. Do not want 4-8.
 
Cover3 said:
Have to agree with Billso here. Our PF/PA averages weren't great in '09, largely because we had close games with UNI, Arkansas State and others. I'm with olddude that non-con blowouts (may be wishful thinking at this point) would be nice to see again, but at the same time, Minnesota's early 2000s teams with Glen Mason had some pretty impressive scoring figures by bombing some cupcakes and then going 6-6.

Next year, I'll probably take 6-6 in a heartbeat, but if we paste a few non-cons, we may even be at 24/21 for PF/PA going 4-8 again. Do not want 4-8.
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Only way you are going to get a 4-8 with 28 PF and a 21 or below PA, is if you blast non cons 50 something to 10. Trust me, if we can go 28 and 21 or below, we will have a very good year.
Even if you beat all 4 non cons by 21 each, that comes out to be a 7. That would put you at 21/21 or 50/50 for the 8 conf games. That should put you at an 8-4 and if you can pull out some close ones you could be 10-2. Worst case you should not end up worse than a 6-6 (which is the base of what everyone wants to see). Now some people remember when we won all the close ones and KF was good at it and some remember only the bad times. I happen to think if we go 28/21 (or just a hair below that) we are looking at 9 or 10 wins.
 
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