What was worse? Coaching or players down the stretch?

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Hawkfnntn

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It's a toss up to me. We couldn't inbound the damn ball. Seriously. Now they were holding our guys some to keep them from getting open but set some damn screens. We had guys just standing there moving right and left making themselves the easiest guys ever to defend. They weren't running any kind of an inbounds play at all just wishing that someone would make a play.

MG and Sap made just inexcusable turnovers... Just turnovers a 7th grader in AAU ball would get chewed out for. MG didn't look like a senior pg out there to me.

The one player I'm not too upset with was Jok. He was hustling and if it wasn't for the 2nd half he had ISU would have gotten back in the game faster. Uthoff disappeared in the 2nd half. We only drew like 3 or 4 fouls on them the whole half somehow even though Uthoff was being held and shoved in everywhere he went. I wanted to wait till this morning to try and form my opinions but I'm just as mad now as I was last night. I mean I'd be more apt to believe you if you said that Iowa was point shaving intentionally then to believe that that's just how that went. It wasn't like ISU played that great or perfect down the stretch as Iowa just handed everything to them on a silver platter. Fran needs to get a better plan then just having MG dribble at the top of the key and trying to create in a down the stretch end of shot clock situation.. I know I'm rambling but if Fran was half as upset as we fans are he'd be making some serious changes to how they coach games... Cause that just can not happen again.
 
It's hard to know exactly... because I don't know what Fran's instructions were.

Did he tell them not to use a timeout? It seemed like they just wouldn't use one.

You maybe turn it over once from not getting it in bounds... but twice in a row?
 
Turnovers by our guards was absolutely inexcusable. I can handle a win by a better team, or being outplayed, I know for sure they didn't outplay us and I'm not even convinced they are the better team (yeah you heard me clown d bag), losing line this still has me ******. If you want a throat punch, come talk to me clown.
 
Did any of you listen to the game on the radio? I watched it on TV but I just couldn't imagine how Dolph would have called it. I just could not have taken it. Watching wasn't hardly believable either. But listening to a melt down like that would just be too much to take. I'm also curious how critical of Fran and the players he and Bobby may have been...
 
The way I see it is the only reason we got a lead is because our 2 best players both had their best shooting nights as a hawk. The reason we gave it up is because ISU is better. For us to rebuild an 8 point lead after the comeback showed a lot. Unfortunately, that collapse at the end showed even more. What really hurts is we needed a great performance from Uthoff and Jok to win and we got it, but it was all for not. It was a huge opportunity wasted.
 
PCHawk said:
The way I see it is the only reason we got a lead is because our 2 best players both had their best shooting nights as a hawk. The reason we gave it up is because ISU is better. For us to rebuild an 8 point lead after the comeback showed a lot. Unfortunately, that collapse at the end showed even more. What really hurts is we needed a great performance from Uthoff and Jok to win and we got it, but it was all for not. It was a huge opportunity wasted.
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Your right about those two carrying Iowa. I'm not convinced ISU being better is why Iowa blew it... Sloppy turnovers is it to me... MG and Sapps play the last 2 mins was what did it. Up 8 less then 2 mins to go that just can't happen.. Those two had the ball in their hands the most and made the most terrible of mistakes. Inbound the ball draw the fouls make free throws win game... Don't turn it over under their basket and get 5 second counts etc.. Sure they were defending the out of bounds tough I'll give them that. But no excuse to have multiple turnovers in those situations. And why was Woodbury playing down the stretch that much? He looked like he had cinder blocks for shoes on. He's the shortest 7-1 player I've ever watched play. He can be effective for short stretches but he just isn't an impact player down there and can't get up and down the court that well while playing big mins. I know he's a good free throw shooter now and I'd have been happy if he'd have caught any of those passes to get to maybe get to the line. But he had no chance of getting open as slow and unathletic as he is.
 
I don't agree that isu is better. I'm not sure who is better right now. We have five returning starters and four seniors on a third place big ten team last year that won a game in the tourney by 20. We dominated isu for most of the game last night only to give it to the in the end. we lost the game, they didn't win it. Im not conceding they are the better team just because they are ranked.
 
Players. No contest. 4 SRs and a JR for starters, should be able to close out that game and get a win. Especially if you went and counted up the # of combined starts at Iowa by that line up. I don't want to feel any worse about the collapse or I'd put those numbers together for us.
If that was the end of the game leadership/play that I was getting, I'd start a whole new line up for the next game. Just to make my point.
 
I'd put two minutes on the clock in practice for the next month. Run it ten times in a row. Turn the ball over, you run. Miss a free throw, you run. Take a bad shot you run. Apply some consequences to bad decisions in crunch time. Practice at least five set plays that you can go to, practice them over and over and over. Where has the baseline lob dunk play gone that we hit 100 times last year??? Do we have any set plays we feel we have a good chance of scorning on that we can turn to?
 
HawkeyeMHA said:
I'd put two minutes on the clock in practice for the next month. Run it ten times in a row. Turn the ball over, you run. Miss a free throw, you run. Take a bad shot you run. Apply some consequences to bad decisions in crunch time. Practice at least five set plays that you can go to, practice them over and over and over. Where has the baseline lob dunk play gone that we hit 100 times last year??? Do we have any set plays we feel we have a good chance of scorning on that we can turn to?
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Exactly the sort of things they should be doing... It shouldn't take an epic wakeup call like this to do it. Coach the team with urgency. Put them through hell in practice so the games are piece of cake. They looked like they didn't know what to do. None of them seemed to even want the ball. The exact opposite of what an upper classmen laden team should look like.
 
I just come back to when it comes down to it, are your players composed/prepared well enough to get home with the W when things get heated. Experience doesnt get you anywhere if they havent been coached hard enough to get home in these situations.
 
HawkeyeMHA said:
I'd put two minutes on the clock in practice for the next month. Run it ten times in a row. Turn the ball over, you run. Miss a free throw, you run. Take a bad shot you run. Apply some consequences to bad decisions in crunch time. Practice at least five set plays that you can go to, practice them over and over and over. Where has the baseline lob dunk play gone that we hit 100 times last year??? Do we have any set plays we feel we have a good chance of scorning on that we can turn to?
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And do it at the end of practice when they are gassed. And try the same plays with the ball in Clemmons hands.
 
I've always heard/read about how smart a kid MG is... Well it sure doesn't translate to the basketball court very much for him. His decision making/shot selection were terrible through out the game not just down the stretch. That forced pass to Woody at the top of the key was bad... Not to mention the one where he was driving to his right and threw it clear across the court to nobody out of bounds.. I just expect more out of a kid that's supposed to be the qb of the group in his senior year. He played like a deer in headlights out there that was unsure of what to do.
 
I love it when the blame game starts. Sometimes the other guys dig one out and win a tough game. Iowa will be fine.
 
HuckFinn said:
I love it when the blame game starts. Sometimes the other guys dig one out and win a tough game. Iowa will be fine.
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There is no possible way that ISU can dig out of that hole, if we don't throw them a long rope to climb out with.......the rope being the key TO's late, and the key fouls to let them score points with the clock stopped. I get what you are saying, but what has gotten people so worked up is Iowa GAVE that game to ISU, they couldn't possible take that game without us making mistakes that allowed them the opportunity.
 
HuckFinn said:
I love it when the blame game starts. Sometimes the other guys dig one out and win a tough game. Iowa will be fine.
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Huck, this is not one of those times. Iowa gave this game away with silly turnovers at the end of the game.
 
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