What Uthoff addition says about starting line-up

UncleHawk

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I've been on the fence as far as whether we'll go with a 3-big, 2-guard starting line-up. No longer. The coaching staff has spoken with their actions, if not their words. Would they have taken Uthoff, would he have come, if there wasn't going to be playing time for him? With our personnel now, that's not going to happen without the 3-big, 2-guard line-up. With Marble and Gesell in the backcourt, they'll be 2 guys there with great handles and passing games. That can offset 3-bigs up front. I'm going with :

Woodbury/Basabe/White/Marble/Gesell

Let the discussion begin.
 


So let's see. We are predicting our 2013/2014 starting lineup in June of 2012? Really? wow. Enough with the Uthoff stuff already. It's already old. How about we focus on the 2012/2013 season first?
 


So let's see. We are predicting our 2013/2014 starting lineup in June of 2012? Really? wow. Enough with the Uthoff stuff already. It's already old. How about we focus on the 2012/2013 season first?

That could very well be the lineup this year. Although McCabe may have something to say about that.
 


So let's see. We are predicting our 2013/2014 starting lineup in June of 2012? Really? wow. Enough with the Uthoff stuff already. It's already old. How about we focus on the 2012/2013 season first?

This isn't just about Uthoff. It's about the team with him.
The only player we lose after 2012-13 is May. Do you really think that the 2012-13 line-up will have no bearing on the 2013-14 one?
 


I'm thinking Fran will run many different combinations of lineups now that he has that luxury. Not saying the OP isn't right, but he is wrong too.
 


You just emphasized my point. How about we concentrate on the upcoming season to see how the 2012 class performs (God knows they have been hyped up enough), how Basabe reacts to a somewhat dismal 2011/2012, see how White progresses, see if Oglesby has what it takes to play the 2, understand if Marble / White can fill the roll of a 3, etc, etc, BEFORE we go out on a limb and pencil people in for a starting job 2 seasons from now?!?
 


This isn't just about Uthoff. It's about the team with him.
The only player we lose after 2012-13 is May. Do you really think that the 2012-13 line-up will have no bearing on the 2013-14 one?

I just love the fact that you look at the roster and the main question I have is how are you going to get all these guys PT, as opposed to "who is going to give these guys a break."

White
Marble
McCabe
Basabe
Gessell
Woodbury
Meyer
Clemmons
Ingram
Ogelsby
Olaseni
Uthoff

I wouldn't be that shocked to see any combination of the above in the starting lineup at some point in the next couple years.
 


I just love the fact that you look at the roster and the main question I have is how are you going to get all these guys PT, as opposed to "who is going to give these guys a break."

White
Marble
McCabe
Basabe
Gessell
Woodbury
Meyer
Clemmons
Ingram
Ogelsby
Olaseni
Uthoff

I wouldn't be that shocked to see any combination of the above in the starting lineup at some point in the next couple years.

Gessell, Woodbury, Meyer, Clemmons, Ingram, Uthoff, and for the most part Olaseni have yet to put on an Iowa practice jersey and we're already suggesting it's gonna be a tough time finding people PT? Slow down my friend. Being optimistic is one thing. Suggesting kids like Marble, White, and McCabe are just gonna roll over and play dead and give up their key roles (and significant minutes) on this team is ridiculous.
 


Gessell, Woodbury, Meyer, Clemmons, Ingram, Uthoff, and for the most part Olaseni have yet to put on an Iowa practice jersey and we're already suggesting it's gonna be a tough time finding people PT? Slow down my friend. Being optimistic is one thing. Suggesting kids like Marble, White, and McCabe are just gonna roll over and play dead and give up their key roles on this team is ridiculous.

Who suggested that other than you just now?
 


You just emphasized my point. How about we concentrate on the upcoming season to see how the 2012 class performs (God knows they have been hyped up enough), how Basabe reacts to a somewhat dismal 2011/2012, see how White progresses, see if Oglesby has what it takes to play the 2, understand if Marble / White can fill the roll of a 3, etc, etc, BEFORE we go out on a limb and pencil people in for a starting job 2 seasons from now?!?

Its a message board.

What does you concentrating on the upcoming season have to do with anything?
 


It gives Iowa a lot of options...and the clear thing it shows me is we have not yet begun to see the tempo and pace McCaffery wants to play at...because when you have 6-8 guys with some ball skills who can shoot, and run the floor, and back em up off the bench, you can run and press all day long
 




I always presumed that we would be looking to add a wing or maybe two in the 2013 class to replace Gatens and May. The 2012 class did not have a true ''wing'' type of player,unless you count Ingram,so I will say that another wing is now absolutely a need...as Uthoff is probably a bit bigger than I originally thought we would target.

I agree with Uncle that despite great flexibility, this probably means that usually we will have a fairly big lineup out there,depending on matchups. The key is versatility.. McCabe, White and Uthoff have good perimeter skills for their length,so we can get some perimeter shooting and ballhandling when they are at the 3. Now,can they guard an Oladipo? Not likely. Might mean Fran plays a bit more zone.

One thing about Fran's best Siena team...they had a pethora of quick,athletic 6'6'' guys that could press. Now, maybe at the Big Ten level,you need those guys to be 6'8'' ,quick and athletic, to pull off those traps successfully? White and Uthoff could be those wings.

In the end, as an article I read in the Wall St. journal this week, traditional positional assignments,such as 1,2,3,4,5....is quickly becoming irrelevant.
I think it is the europization of the NBA and college game. Around the world,not bound by traditional skills attributed to certain sizes and positions, 7ft guys like Dirk became perimeter shooters, 6'11'' Toni Kukoc became a pg...ect.

Nowadays, the best players,no matter their size, can do everything. It boils down to how quickly and adeptly they can perform that function. If Aaron White had Bryce Cartwright's quickness,he could play pg. Kevin Durant can play shooting guard at 6'11''. I like it. Zach McCabe and Woody can both play center,even tho they are 6 inches size differential.

Fran will have a lot of different combos out there.
 


It gives Iowa a lot of options...and the clear thing it shows me is we have not yet begun to see the tempo and pace McCaffery wants to play at...because when you have 6-8 guys with some ball skills who can shoot, and run the floor, and back em up off the bench, you can run and press all day long

Even the bigger guys like Olaseni, Woodbury, and Meyer should be able to keep up. It is gonna get real fun, maybe even mad...again.
 


Gessell, Woodbury, Meyer, Clemmons, Ingram, Uthoff, and for the most part Olaseni have yet to put on an Iowa practice jersey .

This...is an example of ridiculous. He practiced an entire year with Fran's team...and played in some games. Unproven player...perhaps. Young bigs often take time to develop.

But even with the "for the most part" qualifier, your statement is a bit silly.
 


Having a loaded roster, including a guy who isn't even eligible to play in games next season, should help exponentially. Practices are so much more competitive, and players know if they don't bring it every day they aren't going to play.

I'm guessing JR Koch and Jake Jaacks wouldn't have been as productive in '98-'99 without Settles and Okey pushing them.

And if someone pulls a 2011-2012 Basabe (whatever the deal was), he isn't going to see the court. Whoever sees the court (particularly among Iowa's frontcourt players in '13-'14), will have earned it.
 


this doesnt say anything special about our lineup. uthoff is 6'7 or 6'8 with good ballhandling, good 3 pt shot, good mid range, and is actually a perimeter player. he is closer to marble than he is to white. and will back marble up at the 3.

2013-2014 roster

pg - gesell, clemmons
sg - ogelsby, ingram
sf - marble, uthoff
pf - white, basabe, meyer
c - woodbury, mccabe, olesani

plus we will bring in probably a wing as a frosh to play the 2 and/or the 3. could we go to a bigger lineup? sure but this will most likely be what we see.
 


It gives Iowa a lot of options...and the clear thing it shows me is we have not yet begun to see the tempo and pace McCaffery wants to play at...because when you have 6-8 guys with some ball skills who can shoot, and run the floor, and back em up off the bench, you can run and press all day long

This
 




he is closer to marble than he is to white. and will back marble up at the 3.
I hope this is correct but Im skeptical that he can be a full time three. If he is as good a shooter as people say than he won't need to be as much of a slasher.

he can slash...but ingram at the 2 is only a slasher. cant find him hitting a jump or set shot in any of his highlight videos. you'd think a shooting guard would show some shooting clips. especially since he is only 6'2 (i think).

i will say uthoff's defense gives me pause but i think his length and the guys down low will help him. but i am less concerned about his perimeter defense than i would be aaron white mainly because aaron has such an upside as a post defender (rebounding, blocks, etc) where uthoff doesnt have those talents.
 




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