What is the deal with U of I not paying its bills?

Maybe instead of Barta we need to start with axing Harrald and then hope that the replacement actually cares about sports and cans Barta.
 
That’s not good optics: UofI getting all the praise for the children’s hospital and practice facility but not paying the company who built it and whose workers buy football tickets to watch players that practice in the facility they built and who wave at the kids in the hospital that they built.
 
Maybe instead of Barta we need to start with axing Harrald and then hope that the replacement actually cares about sports and cans Barta.

If they axe Harrald I think the replacement should actually know about furthering the educational mission of the UI first and then maybe look at the Ath Dept.

The UI is first and foremost a high level university. Athletics have their place in the university setting and can be a great show for us fanatic fans but it is secondary.
 
That’s not good optics: UofI getting all the praise for the children’s hospital and practice facility but not paying the company who built it and whose workers buy football tickets to watch players that practice in the facility they built and who wave at the kids in the hospital that they built.

Am I missing something? I haven't been in the practice facility but is it not considered a success as UI officials seem to talk how invaluable it is for recruiting etc etc??

So what is the university's beef? Cost overruns or something? Weird, I live in IC and am well aware of the controversy re the Children's hospital and Hancher, but I had no idea there was even a lawsuit re the football facility. And 7 years running.
 
I was looking for the contractor of the North end zone remodel (I wonder if they are nervous or have their attorneys all primed and ready to go?) and stumbled upon this.

It made me chuckle. Barta forget to mention how your donation could also help pay off future jury awards.

https://kinnickedge.org
 
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UIHC has been known to, shall we say creatively pay bills for years. This is simply a story that made it to the light of day.
 
Funny. I suppose you are correct, but SOME are getting them about 15 yards behind the long snapper.
I see what you did there....

What terrible optics for the school here. This is chump change to them. Even IF the school thinks their right just pay it and be done. Don't go to court/fight it giving yourself a chance to lose. Just don't.... Even winning it wouldn't look all that great honestly. Why is doing the obvious common sense thing just so impossible for Iowa to do?
 
That’s not good optics: UofI getting all the praise for the children’s hospital and practice facility but not paying the company who built it and whose workers buy football tickets to watch players that practice in the facility they built and who wave at the kids in the hospital that they built.

Just guessing we don't have full info. But hey we will judge anyway! If it were a scenario where someone worked on your car and called you up and said you owed them $3k for work on your car and you didn't authorize all the work or they used stuff you would not have authorized. Any problems in a case like that? Again don't believe we have complete public info and if I were them damn the optics. Contractors will do work there until the end of time because they got lots or work and lots of cash. Always someone ready to step in to take that money.
 
So, just so I am clear on this - posters on Hawkeyenation want the U of I to just pay for something without a fight that was "plagued by rampant design changes, miscommunication, budget overruns and missed deadlines — all of which bumped the project’s budget from $270.8 million to more than $360 million and delayed its opening by months" - Which actually turned out to be 370 million with contractors demanding more? They aren't fighting over chump change here at this point and it's not like they are stiffing them. While I agree the optics look bad, just because ya hate everything about the Iowa athletic department as of late doesn't mean Iowa should just lay back and take it. I'm not saying if Iowa is in the right or the wrong, but they aren't automatically in the wrong just because they've fucked up in the past on other things.
 
Some need to be better informed what's going on here.

"Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"
 
Just guessing we don't have full info. But hey we will judge anyway! If it were a scenario where someone worked on your car and called you up and said you owed them $3k for work on your car and you didn't authorize all the work or they used stuff you would not have authorized. Any problems in a case like that? Again don't believe we have complete public info and if I were them damn the optics. Contractors will do work there until the end of time because they got lots or work and lots of cash. Always someone ready to step in to take that money.
I’m sure we don’t. But this jury sided against the UofI. They obviously know quite a bit more. Although the UofI is appealing because a pertinent piece of information was left out.

And you are correct about contractors. And because they know it’s government money then cost over-runs are a given.
 
Quick google glance shows:

This is a jury decision. Clearly they have some idea what’s going on.

Before that, a judge ruled against Iowa.

Before that, an arbitration panel ruled against Iowa.

Before that, an internal audit said UofI’s I’ll-advised strategy is the reason for cost over-runs that Iowa is “clearly responsible” for.

Not all these cases are linked, but the UofI has lost every hearing against different contractors.
 
So, just so I am clear on this - posters on Hawkeyenation want the U of I to just pay for something without a fight that was "plagued by rampant design changes, miscommunication, budget overruns and missed deadlines — all of which bumped the project’s budget from $270.8 million to more than $360 million and delayed its opening by months" - Which actually turned out to be 370 million with contractors demanding more? They aren't fighting over chump change here at this point and it's not like they are stiffing them. While I agree the optics look bad, just because ya hate everything about the Iowa athletic department as of late doesn't mean Iowa should just lay back and take it. I'm not saying if Iowa is in the right or the wrong, but they aren't automatically in the wrong just because they've fucked up in the past on other things.

I Don't think I am taking sides here. Of course I have very little info. My first question re the children's hospital: Who requested the design changes? The presumption is the UIHC administration? And if it wasn't them, or the Board of Regents, they would still have to sign off on it. Correct?

Now I did hear through the grapevine that there was questionable work done over there and things had to be torn out and redone? Is that "Design changes"? Have no idea. But the U of I has people making a ton of money to be overseeing these projects.

I will say I contacted the project designer to voice my concerns over how they were redesigning the streets leading in and out of the main entrance.
If anyone has been there you will see how unnecessarily narrow, tight and confusing those streets are. Take a look at all the land they could have used to widen the streets and make it easier for the elderly, and sick, and out-of-town visitors, and transit vehicles for the disabled, to get in and out of there? Instead they used the majority of that land to plant multiple six figures worth of landscaping? THAT is incompetence imo. This is a pattern. I see it and read about things like this everday. Btw the guy in charge told me the sprinkler systems for the landscaping were already in place so there would be no modifications.

How many knew there was a lawsuit re the football facility? That surprised me. So yes, there are always two sides to a story. But it does seem to be a pattern and juries have decided against the university. But the fact that the U of I and Board of Regents are seemingly a monolith, there is a good chance they will find sympathy among judges and they already have to an extent.

RE monolith: Did the Johnson County attorney ever unseal all the records in the Satterfield/Everson case? You know those records that the U fought hard to keep from the public.
 
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If they axe Harrald I think the replacement should actually know about furthering the educational mission of the UI first and then maybe look at the Ath Dept.

The UI is first and foremost a high level university. Athletics have their place in the university setting and can be a great show for us fanatic fans but it is secondary.

Ummmm . . . you do realize that getting rid of Barta frees up more money for the "mission" you mention? Lawsuit payouts, ridiculous contracts, etc. In simple terms, the reason he needs to raise so much money is cuz he throws a lot of it down the toilet. Money that could be redirected by donors and the U to the "fundamental mission" while also giving the athletic department what it needs.
 
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