what does it mean?

NCHawker

NCHawker

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I read a lot of comments here. In many, people assert that Ferentz was "out coached" in this game or that game. other times I read passing comments that say that KF "gets out coached"

id like to understand

is being out coached nothing more than calling a play that doesn't work for Iowa, and the other team calling a play that works?

what specific games come to mind when Iowa was out coached .....and why?

thanks

NCH
 


NCHawker said:
I read a lot of comments here. In many, people assert that Ferentz was "out coached" in this game or that game. other times I read passing comments that say that KF "gets out coached"

id like to understand

is being out coached nothing more than calling a play that doesn't work for Iowa, and the other team calling a play that works?

what specific games come to mind when Iowa was out coached .....and why?

thanks

NCH
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in general the play calling was downright puzzling at times last season. Not sure if it was Greg Davis or Ferentz, but probably a combination of both. I haven't been a fan of Davis from the start.
 




Watch the Wisconsin or Northwestern game from 2010 and you'll get a pretty good idea. 7-5 that year and we were loaded.
 


NCHawker said:
I read a lot of comments here. In many, people assert that Ferentz was "out coached" in this game or that game. other times I read passing comments that say that KF "gets out coached"

id like to understand

is being out coached nothing more than calling a play that doesn't work for Iowa, and the other team calling a play that works?

what specific games come to mind when Iowa was out coached .....and why?

thanks

NCH
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To me anyway coaching is a lot of things. It's game planning. Setting the lineups and 2 deeps. It's the Xs and Os for sure too. Such as the fact that he ran Weisman into the ground last year to me was crazy. They could have given Canzeri more touches through out the year thats an instance to me of game planning going into the week just as much so as the play calling. When they run outside zone running plays to Weisman that have little to no success as often as they did last year isn't the smartest of coaching to me. But yet using the TEs as much as they did against OSU was pure genius... Having the regular defense in against Nebraska when they ran the fake punt that didn't work was great coaching.. Those are just a few examples and there are plenty plenty more that we laymans that don't watch the film and study it the way they do use to come up with game plans.
 




Double Rainbow over Kinnick! OMG Its a double rainbow all the way! Oh man! WHOA!!!!!!!!! OMG!! ITS A DOUBLE RAINBOW OVER KINNICK! And there are fighter jets flying just over the press box and its starting to look like a TRIPLE RAINBOW ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY! What does this mean OMG! Red White and Blue cards displaying the american flag and a double rainbow ITS SO BEAUTIFUL. OMG What does it mean?
 


Sometimes Greg Davis out coaches himself three times in a row. The only time the same play worked back to back was against the clowns and they could have been sending in the play over the PA and cy wouldnt have stopped it.
 


To me it means that Sunday Morning Coaching is much easier than Saturday Morning Coaching.

It means that it is ok for fans to think that it is ok to only run one sort of play with certain personnel, because if the fans think of it, it isn't predictable.

It also means that the coaches running the same play multiple times in a game/half/drive IS totally predictable and the entire offensive coaching staff should he replaced.

It means that every loss is the coaches fault and every win is in spite of them.

But most of all, it means that a fan doesn't like the coach but couldn't articulate a specific reason.

To me, one coach is out coached every game. Whether it be on the field, during practice, in the weight room, or on the recruiting trail.
 


NCHawker said:
I read a lot of comments here. In many, people assert that Ferentz was "out coached" in this game or that game. other times I read passing comments that say that KF "gets out coached"

id like to understand

is being out coached nothing more than calling a play that doesn't work for Iowa, and the other team calling a play that works?

what specific games come to mind when Iowa was out coached .....and why?

thanks

NCH
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It means that, in the evaluation of said posters, his performance was surpassed by the opponent coach.

Although I'm surprised you didn't know the meaning of this term, you're quite welcome. Good day.
 




Outcoached means your girl spending her car payment on a nicer purse than her friend's purse (that's probably a fake).
 


It's usually just an easy target to shoot at. Most of the time, it's a case of players getting outplayed. There have a few instances where Ferentz has been outcoached (Wisconsin fake punt springs to mind), but it often really does come down to execution.
 


hawkdrummer1 said:
add Minnesota 2010 , 2011 Northwestern 2010-2012, UNI 2009, CMU 2012, NIU 2013...
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So by this count, added with the 2010 Wisky and NU games which you quoted, KF has only been out coached 10 times in his 15 seasons at Iowa.

I knew you would come around and see the fantastic job KF has done as coach of the Hawks.

And the real exciting part is the 2009 UNI game and the 2011 NU game were still both won by Iowa, even though you claim KF was out coached. So KF really has only cost Iowa 8 games in his entire tenure because of being out coached, or about 1 game every other season.
 


HawkIPA said:
So by this count, added with the 2010 Wisky and NU games which you quoted, KF has only been out coached 10 times in his 15 seasons at Iowa.

I knew you would come around and see the fantastic job KF has done as coach of the Hawks.

And the real exciting part is the 2009 UNI game and the 2011 NU game were still both won by Iowa, even though you claim KF was out coached. So KF really has only cost Iowa 8 games in his entire tenure because of being out coached, or about 1 game every other season.
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We won the 2009 UNI game, but were a double miracle away from a huge clone-like embarrassment on our home field. Farley had KFz's number. And I meant the 2013 NIU game. My bad. But I'd suggest those are not the only examples.

Losing to what experts would call "lesser teams" is a good example of being "outcoached". (to the OP's question). Interestingly enough, that will probably end up being the difference between Hayden and KFz and their winning %. Hayden rarely let those kind of games get away. He had his team step on the opponent's throat and end it. Killer instinct... as many have put it.

I never said KFz hadn't done a good job. He has, and certainly he's turned the tables on some teams in the same way. But I'm also honest about his shortcomings.
 
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hawkdrummer1 said:
We won the 2009 UNI game, but were a double miracle away from a huge clone-like embarrassment on our home field. Farley had KFz's number. And I meant the 2013 NIU game. My bad. But I'd suggest those are not the only examples.
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You already mentioned the 2013 NIU game in your other post. I was talking about the 2011 Northwestern game. NU= Northwestern University.
 


HawkIPA said:
You already mentioned the 2013 NIU game in your other post. I was talking about the 2011 Northwestern game. NU= Northwestern University.
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You are correct IPA. Should have been 2010, 2012, not 2010-2012

Either way, I don't anticipate any of those kind of teams getting away from us this year. Right?
 


ihawkeye said:
Watch the Wisconsin or Northwestern game from 2010 and you'll get a pretty good idea. 7-5 that year and we were loaded.
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2010 was a puzzling year on the surface, but when you look back at the injuries at OL, plus already being hampered at RB (Wegher not coming back, Hampton going down against Arizona), it makes more sense.

The Wisconsin game was frustrating, as we should have played for a TD after the INT in Wiscy territory.

Northwestern was just sloppy. Down at half, we scored two TDs in the second half to take the lead, but when Stanzi threw that long INT into the wind (which DJK seemed to get turned around, so he didn't make even a half-hearted attempt to become a DB-in-reverse), you could actually feel the game turn back in NWs favor. I couldn't even watch the last drive as it was easy to see we wouldn't pull it out.
 




I think injuries and personnel could explain some of the play calling people find mysterious. Last year Canzeri was coming off serious knee surgery. Early in the year, he looked tentative and not up to speed. When he reappeared mid-season, he looked completely different. He looked sharp, was running at full speed and looked more chiselled - back in football shape. I'd suggest that's why we ran Weisman so often early in the year. Many plays are called/scripted to see how the defense is lining up/attacking certain formations. Other plays are called to lure a defense into playing a certain way. Not all plays are designed to be large gainers.
 


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