Watching how easy some teams get open 3's and jumpers- Hawks need to ...

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uihawk82

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Watching Alot of these teams during the year and in the tournaments especially you see how much easier some teams get uncontested jumpers in comparison to the Hawks.

I think some of these teams pass the ball quicker and crisper, the weave and drive works well for them, they work the ball in and them kick back out better than Iowa.

Many times we are taking jumpers under pressure and I see a low % of time when a hawk has a lot of time to eye the rim.

If Dickerson has a good jumper, if Jok keeps shooting well , gesell and uhtoff shoot better from perimeter, and Josh O has a really good shooting year I hope to see the hawks really start knocking them down. Maybe more crisp passing, penetrating and dishing and if they shoot the jumper better white, woody, and gabe should have more round to work inside.
 
It's all guard play...good guards keep the ball alive and moving (and besides Iowa isn't very athletic or very strong with the ball), but, I agree, Dickerson will make a lot of things happen, and when it does we better be ready to pull the trigger, and knock down shots, plain and simple...I look at the teams in this tournament and there are those that are not, I repeat, not, afraid to shoot the ball because they do not lack the confidence....A good shooter is always thinking his shot is going down....One thing we have a lacking of at times....we need quicker kids and we need kids to go up with confidence.......
 
Pass the ball to the open look. Keep passing until the open look. Keep the defense moving/guessing. I've seen too many Hawks get the pass, fake the drive, maybe even fake the jump shot, and then shoot the ball while the other 4 Hawks stand around, and the shooter gets double teamed. Maybe this can be Iowa's offense when Iowa has a slew of professional-quality players, but they don't have that now. <P> Get the other Hawks invested in the play. Let them think if they work hard to get open, maybe not now, maybe not next pass, but if they keep moving to get open the pass (and shot) will come to them.. This isn't a point guard problem, exclusively, its a team problem.
 
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In my opinion the difference is the shooters... We are probably the only team in the country that start 3 guys who don't shoot 3s and our PG isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Dev and josh are the only two players on the team that shoot the 3 that well.

So we didn't really focus on the drive and kick game because we don't have the shooters to do it effectively.
 
The problem is that Iowa didn't have a true point guard. Both Gessell & Marble were playing out of position. Gessell should be at the off guard position & in certain situations even at small forward. Likewise, Marble should have been playing off guard or small forward. Their skill sets are better suited for positions other than point guard. However, they were the best the Hawks had.

Fran realizes this. Why do you think he went after the kid that signed with Kentucky & is bringing in Dickerson.
 
ibahawkeye said:
In my opinion the difference is the shooters... We are probably the only team in the country that start 3 guys who don't shoot 3s and our PG isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Dev and josh are the only two players on the team that shoot the 3 that well.

So we didn't really focus on the drive and kick game because we don't have the shooters to do it effectively.
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Iowa should be better with White roaming in the vicinity of the paint at the 4 position, but he needs to get a little stronger to go up against power forwards in the paint and on the block. He may be a key to Iowa's success on offense next year, if he is strong on his post moves and does a good job of looking for an outside shooter whenever he gets a double team.

Gesell will work hard on his outside shot over the summer. I expect we'll see a better shooting percentage from him in 2014-15. Same for Jok. Oglesby is a legitimate high 30's/low 40's percentage 3-point shooter, but he needs to do better to get open looks. I'd like to see him average about five 3-point attempts a game. I don't know how good Dickerson is on his jump shot.
 
One of the problems with Mike, is that he isn't a drive a kick guy. He's quicker than he gets credit for, but he never draws the defense and then hits the open shooter.
 
Hawkstrat said:
One of the problems with Mike, is that he isn't a drive a kick guy. He's quicker than he gets credit for, but he never draws the defense and then hits the open shooter.
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As someone said early in this thread, too many hawks stand around while one guy is driving or whatever.

Basically in bball, like in the Princeton offense if you dont have the ball you move away from the ball. If Gesell or a guard drives we should have wing players move to the corner or back out where the driver came from.

I think as has been said that we could have a better drive and kick game if guys went to open spots better.
 
Tyler Ulis. Fran has been desperately trying to find an answer. Cartwright, for all of his faults, gave us a true breakdown guard. We run offense as well if not better than most teams.
 
If you look at Iowa state - they have 5 guys on the court that can make 3's... makes them hard to defense in the half court.

In our starting 5 - we had one guy (marble) who every was a true threat from outside (and he wasn't a spectacular shooter)
This makes us pretty dang easy to defend in the half court.. just sag on our post players.

Its far and away our biggest problem the last 2 years - we need shooters badly.
 
Actually throwing the ball into the post more than a couple times a game would help too. I think I heard an announcer once say something like 'having an inside-outside game results in more open shots'...or some such thing. :rolleyes:
 
ShemHawk said:
Actually throwing the ball into the post more than a couple times a game would help too. I think I heard an announcer once say something like 'having an inside-outside game results in more open shots'...or some such thing. :rolleyes:
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This is the problem I notice most. We rarely try to get the ball into the post. Compared to most higher caliber teams we don't even attempt to post up that often.
 
Healzya said:
This is the problem I notice most. We rarely try to get the ball into the post. Compared to most higher caliber teams we don't even attempt to post up that often.
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What iowa does on offense rarely makes sense to me.

Starting 3 guys who are post players,
if u can even call White that, and they dont run hardly and post ups.

Granted its hard to operate in the lane with two other guys the D can sag off of....which is why no one plays 3 post players except for some reason Iowa.
 
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