VERY SIMPLE- How I'll Judge Lickliter....

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HawkFantastic

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If ONE player leaves for ANY reason I want him fired. I don't want extenuating circumstances. Even if we/he wins the rest of the games and one player leaves, I want want him fired. Is his margin for error slim? You bet. Is that fair? No, it isn't. I went through too much player turn over with Alford; I'm even more tired of it with him. Perhaps I'm blaming him for the sins of his predecessor, so be it.

The only thing that would make this post complete is Spanky from Li'l Rascals telling me that Lickliter could challenge for COTY. What I find funny is how Spanky was a a laughing stock at the old HN and at the new HN he's considered a basketball sage.
 
GodGodGodBathia said:
So if Cully Payne is in a car accident and is paralyzed from the neck down and can't play basketball you want him fired?
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Take it to ANY extreme you want, however in bad taste it may be, YES, YES, YES he should still be fired. If you have any other question that may suggest bad karma or most would find classless or in bad form please fire away.
 
HawkFantastic said:
Take it to ANY extreme you want, however in bad taste it may be, YES, YES, YES he should still be fired. If you have any other question that may suggest bad karma or most would find classless or in bad form please fire away.
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He can't move his arms or legs.

Why would Lickliter be fired for that?
 
Well...your judgement doesn't really mean anything.

You want him fired if a player leaves after winning out? I understand your trying to make a point but how can you say anything about spank when you drop a statement like that?

You know if we won out and a player left, it'd probably be a player leaving that didn't contribute anything. But yea other then that great post, oh wait.
 
HawkFantastic said:
If ONE player leaves for ANY reason I want him fired. I don't want extenuating circumstances. Even if we/he wins the rest of the games and one player leaves, I want want him fired. Is his margin for error slim? You bet. Is that fair? No, it isn't. I went through too much player turn over with Alford; I'm even more tired of it with him. Perhaps I'm blaming him for the sins of his predecessor, so be it.

The only thing that would make this post complete is Spanky from Li'l Rascals telling me that Lickliter could challenge for COTY. What I find funny is how Spanky was a a laughing stock at the old HN and at the new HN he's considered a basketball sage.
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I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about anyone leaving except Gatens...
 
If any more players TRANSFER, I am close to being in your camp, HF.

We are at the point in two and a half years where we were in the Alford era after five...individual reasons can be explained with some logic...or spun...but in totality, its too great to ignore. Iowa State is at that point now. One more leaves Iowa, its going to be tough to spin it.

Say someone wants to leave because they are not getting minutes because this level of play is beyond their abilities...then that's a recruiting mistake...say someone wants to leave for the losing...trouble...someone wants to leave due to style...trouble...someone wants to leave due to relationship issues...trouble.

Most any reason would be trouble. Let's hope it doesn't happen
 
I actually want one more player to leave this off -season to allow us to grab a much needed perimeter ball-handler/slasher. If Brommer or Tucker leave, I will be fine with it. Anyone else...no.
 
Lets hope Tucker leaves so we can get another pg for next season. Barta will not fire Lick this season, imo, but next season he is fair game, if he doesn't produce. Signing a pg this spring just might enable him to keep his job. We'll see.
 
Outside of the that point guard being a Chris Paul clone, I don't think there is a PG out there that can save Lick's job.
 
HawkFantastic said:
If ONE player leaves for ANY reason I want him fired. I don't want extenuating circumstances. Even if we/he wins the rest of the games and one player leaves, I want want him fired. Is his margin for error slim? You bet. Is that fair? No, it isn't. I went through too much player turn over with Alford; I'm even more tired of it with him. Perhaps I'm blaming him for the sins of his predecessor, so be it.

The only thing that would make this post complete is Spanky from Li'l Rascals telling me that Lickliter could challenge for COTY. What I find funny is how Spanky was a a laughing stock at the old HN and at the new HN he's considered a basketball sage.
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Agree with most of your comments, with the exception of the attack on Spank. I think Spank would tell ya he's a Hawk homer when it comes to Iowa basketball. Some people seem to relate moderators with higher basketball knowledge. As a frequenter to many boards, let me disavow you of that notion right now. That's not an attack on anybodys sports intellect. It's just an assessment.

Now does Spanks COTY contention and 52 part series on "Why Iowa Basketball Will be Better" deserve to be associated with "Illinois Football the Journey" in regards to message boards? That's for every one else to decide. Personally, I don't feel that way. The same way I wouldn't consider him a basketball genius if somehow Iowa had managed to be third place in the conference right now.

I agree that if one player leaves, that is not a player involved in a paralyzing auto crash(who brought up this ridiculous point anyway?), than it's time for TL to go.
 
HawkFantastic said:
If ONE player leaves for ANY reason I want him fired. I don't want extenuating circumstances. Even if we/he wins the rest of the games and one player leaves, I want want him fired. Is his margin for error slim? You bet. Is that fair? No, it isn't. I went through too much player turn over with Alford; I'm even more tired of it with him. Perhaps I'm blaming him for the sins of his predecessor, so be it.

The only thing that would make this post complete is Spanky from Li'l Rascals telling me that Lickliter could challenge for COTY. What I find funny is how Spanky was a a laughing stock at the old HN and at the new HN he's considered a basketball sage.
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Your first paragraph: yawn

The bolded part: uhhhh... You do realize this statement is akin to Carrot Top publically calling George Carlin an unfunny talentless hack, don't you?
 
I think the OP is right.

If anyone else leaves it is indicitive of a systemic failure in the coaching staff.

Not to be brutal about it, but to be brutal about it. Our recruits are already signed. They can't transfer without sitting out a year and they are still looking at instant playing time at Iowa. I don't see any of them jumping ship.

I want Lick to succeed. I hope this doesn't happen. But if it does, I agree that it will be time for a change and that he will not be deserving of year 5.
 
Not to the extent that if we lose a player to injury (like another poster's Cully Payne example), but other than that, if a player CHOOSES to leave the program, then I agree that the turnover is a trend and we need to cut our losses and move on with a new coach.

Our roster is to the point where I believe the only Alford recruits left are Cole and Gatens. Besides those two, if anyone transfers, nobody can play the "Alford's players don't buy into Lickliter's system" card. And I'd have to say that if Gatens leaves, it doesn't matter who recruited him. Gatens is a Hawkeye through and through, and if you can't keep him in the program, then who CAN you keep? Heck, Lickliter already lost one of his own recruits to transfer last year (Jermain Davis), so it's not like this was completely isolated to Alford recruits to begin with.

The roster turnover has got to stop, starting right now. Either Lickliter can keep players in the program, or he can't. I'm still waiting for him to prove that he can do it. I wonder if we'll be hearing any rumblings about more transfers a 4-6 weeks from now?
 
I am a Lick supporter, think he should get two more years. But recently I have said that if Iowa has transfers at the end of this season, then Barta needs to seriously consider a new hire. However, I clarified it by certain players. I think there are a few we could live with as fans. I mean if Tucker were to leave, wouldn't we all understand? You really think Lick should be fired over that one? I could even give a pass for Archie. However, if Gatens, May, Payne, Fuller, Cole or maybe even Cougill transferred, this would not be acceptable IMO! With that being said, I hope nobody leaves at the end of this year!

Lastly, many on this site have stated that in order to possibly bring in another pg next year, Lick will have to let somebody on scholarship go. If this were to happen, should Lick be fired? Again, I think not!!!
 
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Agree w/ Forever

If Payne, Fuller, Gatens, Cole, or May leave than he should be fired the day they announce. If one of the three of Brommer, Cougill and Archie leaves I would give him a pass because then you could site playing time. However if two of these three leave than I would seriously consider pulling the plug.

In my mind the ideal thing that could happen is everybody currently playing comes back. Tucker doesn't return and we get a JUCO PG prospect like Kaylon Williams. This would limit turnover and get us back to a more even distribution of scholarships.

I honestly believe with a little PG help for Cully, more depth from the freshman and the emergence of Fuller as an inside scorer this team could win 18 games. And for the record I was not a kool-aid drinker before this season and thought it was likely they would only have 10 wins.
 
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