Top 10 for the first time since 2002 - wow

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hawkeye12345

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The last time we were in the Top 5 was in 1989. Interestingly enough, Roy Marble was the leader of that team.....

Never ranked in the top 25 from Mar 2006 until Nov 2013....that's a long dry spell.

We broke into the Top 10 only one time during alford era (1999 -2007) and that was in the '01-'02 season. Our best ranking during alford's tour was #7 (Nov 27th, 2001).
 
Day late :)

I believe I also heard this is the latest in the season Iowa has been ranked in the Top 10 since the 1992-1993 season.
 
Yep, and that 2002 team was simply overrated, at least based on the team's play. Pre-season Top 10 = 1st round NIT loss. Ooops! I'm not sure if that team just believed its own hype too much, or if it was Alford who was guilty of that.

Impressive thing about this season is that Iowa started the year unranked, and have worked their way up to #10.

It's not where you start, but where you finish.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
The last time we were in the Top 5 was in 1989. Interestingly enough, Roy Marble was the leader of that team.....

Never ranked in the top 25 from Mar 2006 until Nov 2013....that's a long dry spell.

We broke into the Top 10 only one time during alford era (1999 -2007) and that was in the '01-'02 season. Our best ranking during alford's tour was #7 (Nov 27th, 2001).
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The 2005-2006 Alford team was very close to the top 10 and I think the starting 5 was better than the current team, but it had no depth and lost a bunch of heartbreakers down the stretch.
 
I was wondering that! I was going to ask if that was the year we blew out Missouri at their place and got all this respect we didn't deserve? Did nobody remember us blowing a neutral court matchup against the same team? We easily had the talent to stick near the top 25, it just had to be handled correctly. I believe sometime this year, Alford attended a LAL-Brooklyn game, excited to see Reggie Evans play. He takes the court. BOOM! Offensive board. He tries to duck under and put it back, but is called for traveling. It was THIS moment where it finally hit Alford: "Reggie Evans is not a great post scorer, is he? Man, I shoulda stopped trying that all the time." *shrug*
 
okeefe4prez said:
The 2005-2006 Alford team was very close to the top 10 and I think the starting 5 was better than the current team, but it had no depth and lost a bunch of heartbreakers down the stretch.
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Lol. Are you serious? That team started Erik Hansen and Mike Henderson. This team is better than that team in virtually every way.
 
okeefe4prez said:
The 2005-2006 Alford team was very close to the top 10 and I think the starting 5 was better than the current team, but it had no depth and lost a bunch of heartbreakers down the stretch.
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It wasn't that as much as how we timed the losses. We got beat by a great Illinois team on the road for our last loss in the regular season. Our longest winning streak was a whole 4 games, a couple times. Throw in 3 straight here and there. I guess the BTT counts, which was 5-6 I believe, but you can't sustain a climb in the polls with such consistent losses.
 
HawkIPA said:
Day late :)

I believe I also heard this is the latest in the season Iowa has been ranked in the Top 10 since the 1992-1993 season.
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Nope. We were ranked #10 on January 20, 1998. Same poll date as this one.

Also, Mr. Davis left Iowa with the #21 ranked team in the nation in March, 1999. That 1999 team peaked at #12 on January 9th.

No wonder we didn't renew his contract.
 
wundergrape said:
Lol. Are you serious? That team started Erik Hansen and Mike Henderson. This team is better than that team in virtually every way.
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It also started a scoring threat unlike anyone we currently have and was the final season of Horner-Brunner starting every game of their lives together. Sure, I would take the current team and run with the superior depth and GUTS, the latter often accompanies actual REAL LIFE COACHING. Henderson and Hansen were excellent shutdown guys the likes of which we also can't match, but the upside this team has with all these sophomores getting big minutes is astonishing. That team had maxed itself out. We're 10th in both polls, 8th in ESPN's Power Rankings, and we still have a star to make in Uthoff.
 
wundergrape said:
Nope. We were ranked #10 on January 20, 1998. Same poll date as this one.

Also, Mr. Davis left Iowa with the #21 ranked team in the nation in March, 1999. That 1999 team peaked at #12 on January 9th.

No wonder we didn't renew his contract.
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Would love to have seen what would have happened if Okey actually played long enough to get sweat on his Iowa jersey. He was the absolute real deal, tools-wise. On the bright side, Jaacks got some valuable experience! *head slamming emoticon, add more blood*
 
libradawg said:
It also started a scoring threat unlike anyone we currently have
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libradawg said:
and was the final season of Horner-Brunner starting every game of their lives together. Sure, I would take the current team and run with the superior depth and GUTS, the latter often accompanies actual REAL LIFE COACHING. Henderson and Hansen were excellent shutdown guys the likes of which we also can't match, but the upside this team has with all these sophomores getting big minutes is astonishing. That team had maxed itself out. We're 10th in both polls, 8th in ESPN's Power Rankings, and we still have a star to make in Uthoff.
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Are you referring to Haluska? He averaged 13.9 points. Less than both White and Marble.
 
okeefe4prez said:
The 2005-2006 Alford team was very close to the top 10 and I think the starting 5 was better than the current team, but it had no depth and lost a bunch of heartbreakers down the stretch.
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The highest ranking for the '05-'06 team was 12 on Dec 6th, 2005...I suppose for an attorney you could make a case that it was close :)

It was a good roster but I don't know if you could make an argument that it was better:

PG Horner v Gesell -
SG Haluska v Marble
SF Brunner v White
PF Thomas v Basabe
C Hansen v Woody

Bench
Henderson v Uthoff
Freeman v Clemmons
Thompson v McCabe
Gorney v Olaseni
Reed v Oglewinkel
Wieck v Jok
 
wundergrape said:
Lol. Are you serious? That team started Erik Hansen and Mike Henderson. This team is better than that team in virtually every way.
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It's probably closer than you think. Brunner doubles Basabe's scoring and adds 3 rebounds per game and suprising to me that Mike Henderson outscores Mike Gesell.... I think that changes by year end though. Mike G has stepped up his scoring as of late and Mike G doubles Henderson's assists.

Anyways, below are the stats and links for points, rebounds and assists.

Henderson 7.6, 3.9, 2
Horner 13.6, 4.1, 5.6
Haluska 13.9, 4.7, 2.3
Brunner 14.1, 9.2, 1.8
Hansen 6.7, 4.0, .3


Gesell 7.1, 2.2, 3.8
Marble 16.3, 3.6, 3.3
White 14, 6.4, 2.2
Basabe 7.7, 6.8, .2
Woody 5.4, 4, 1

2005-06 Iowa Hawkeyes Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2294/iowa-hawkeyes
 
wundergrape said:
I didn't say it wasn't. This team would beat them handily, though.
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The argument is strictly in regards to the starting lineups. I think most would agree this year is a better team due to the depth and number of weapons like Uthoff coming off the bench.

You make it sound like the starting line up of the 05-06 team was nowhere good as this starting lineup which is not true.

It's close.
 
wundergrape said:



Are you referring to Haluska? He averaged 13.9 points. Less than both White and Marble.
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Yes, Haluska, and that is totally deceiving. Jr to Sr year doesn't typically account for a huge statistical climb or any major progression, but it turned out we were giving a dominant scorer the same amount of touches as Brunner and Horner. We had 20 PPG at the wing and we opted for high-low junk that minimized our team. That's why Alford was as bad as he was. I love Brunner more than anybody, Horner even more. But Haluska was a pure scorer, and he didn't go from 14 PPG potential to 20 overnight. He was always capable of that.
 
wundergrape said:
Lol. Are you serious? That team started Erik Hansen and Mike Henderson. This team is better than that team in virtually every way.
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It was spelled "Erek" and I'd take him over either Gabe or Woodbury this year. Hansen was a shot blocking machine. He wasn't needed as a scorer bince we had Haluska, Horner and Brunner. Henderson was not very good, but don't dis Hansen, dude. If that 2005-06 team had the same depth this team has, we would have won the Big Ten for sure, but other than Doug Thomas, there wasn't a lot on the bench. Sondergorney came into his own, but he took some time to develop.
 
ibahawkeye said:
It's probably closer than you think. Brunner doubles Basabe's scoring and adds 3 rebounds per game and suprising to me that Mike Henderson outscores Mike Gesell.... I think that changes by year end though. Mike G has stepped up his scoring as of late and Mike G doubles Henderson's assists.

Anyways, below are the stats and links for points, rebounds and assists.

Henderson 7.6, 3.9, 2
Horner 13.6, 4.1, 5.6
Haluska 13.9, 4.7, 2.3
Brunner 14.1, 9.2, 1.8
Hansen 6.7, 4.0, .3


Gesell 7.1, 2.2, 3.8
Marble 16.3, 3.6, 3.3
White 14, 6.4, 2.2
Basabe 7.7, 6.8, .2
Woody 5.4, 4, 1

2005-06 Iowa Hawkeyes Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Iowa Hawkeyes 2013-14 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - Men's College Basketball - ESPN
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Don't forget the upside that team lacked. All seniors except one Jr. This year we have two sophomores at the point, another one at C and another one off the bench that may remind a lot of us of a *certain other scorer* that team had.

Are their minutes listed, BTW? Woody if given 32 minutes is good for 11 and 8 a game. I understand that's flawed logic but I'm still interested in how their numbers would translate if given their opportunities.

EDIT: I checked, four players averaged 30 minutes a game. Hansen only had 19ish. I am going to waste a sentence's worth of typing to inform everyone nobody is averaging 30 MPG on this team, lol.
 
ibahawkeye said:
It's probably closer than you think. Brunner doubles Basabe's scoring and adds 3 rebounds per game and suprising to me that Mike Henderson outscores Mike Gesell.... I think that changes by year end though. Mike G has stepped up his scoring as of late and Mike G doubles Henderson's assists.

Anyways, below are the stats and links for points, rebounds and assists.

Henderson 7.6, 3.9, 2
Horner 13.6, 4.1, 5.6
Haluska 13.9, 4.7, 2.3
Brunner 14.1, 9.2, 1.8
Hansen 6.7, 4.0, .3


Gesell 7.1, 2.2, 3.8
Marble 16.3, 3.6, 3.3
White 14, 6.4, 2.2
Basabe 7.7, 6.8, .2
Woody 5.4, 4, 1

2005-06 Iowa Hawkeyes Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Iowa Hawkeyes 2013-14 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - Men's College Basketball - ESPN
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To be fair, the starting 5 on that squad played more minutes than the current starting 5 plays. The current team is better in the aggregate, but I would take that 05-06 starting 5 over our current one just because we had a huge senior presence on it (plus IIRC Haluska was a redshirt junior so he was the equivalent of a senior).
 
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