This game is a audition for CJ

QuadCityHawkeye

QuadCityHawkeye

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If he lights it up expect him to start the next game. If he's so-so the competition will be open, and if he struggles Jake will resume as the starter after the bye-week. Maybe I'm wrong but maybe I'm not.
 




I hope he does well, not just for his sake but for the sake of the team. Weisman and Co. deserve some good things to happen to them.
 


I don't think it's an audition to start more future games. I think it's an audition to see if it's even worth opening up the QB competition during the bye week. If CJ performs well, I think they'll split the 1st team reps during the bye week, sit down as a coaching staff, and decide who starts the remaining games on the schedule. There's no way KF will let this play out the rest of the year....he'll pick one and go with it.
 


I know CJ has been compared to Brett Farve before in that he's got that "gunslinger" mentality. Ferentz obviously isn't keen on those type of QB's as Drew Tate is the only one I can think of that played under Ferentz that had the same trait. However, CJ has an arm that I haven't seen at Iowa since Dan McGuire, and you just have to let the kid play his way in or out of the starting lineup. It's make or break time for CJ with Purdue having a full week to prepare for him. I think Ferentz has been hinting at Rudock being back as a way to perhaps make Purdue do a little prep in case he does play, but we all know that's just coach speak.
 


Sparky said:
I hope he does well, not just for his sake but for the sake of the team. Weisman and Co. deserve some good things to happen to them.
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I want the best guy to play. Right now I think CJ might be that guy but we haven't seen enough of him in live action. Like Farve, he's going to make some bad decisions and it sounds like he does that a lot in practice. The key is can he learn from his mistakes and improve. I'm not a Rudock hater but he does have some limitations and the sky could be the limit for CJ.
 


I love Rudock, great kid and Hawk. But I hope CJ does so good it puts a end to this. If we could get a potent pass game our run game would be great
 


I think if CJ does indeed start Saturday and has a good game and leads is to a win ... he is your future starter ... No way CJ starts against Purdue ... has a great performance, moves the offense, etc., and then comes home to sit on the bench during homecoming. I think Saturday is CJ's shot to take over the starting gig ... If he falters Saturday ... and we would somehow lose ... well ... welcome back Jake and Kirk will smugly smile and say "see, I told you so ..." :)
 




Coaches should always be looking to upgrade the team. CJ will test KFs conservative nature but coach him up without taking away his swagger.

The hawks are fortunate to have an above avg very good QB in Rudock who played well last year, he is a known quantity who can get better if the coaches stretch the field.

But it is all the better if someone beats him out or surpasses him. If CJ comes in and makes play after play, some very big plays and we keep winning then that is great.

All of a sudden we could get a win at Purdue but have two very tough games in October so this easy schedule is getting harder.
 


I think CJ deserves the "audition" for the starting role whether Jake is hurt or not. His performance in the second half last week earned him the right to have that chance.

With that said, and it is just my opinion, but I honestly do not believe the difference between Jake and CJ is all that much. Jake's long ball to Powell was just as good as CJ's long ball to Powell. The difference is Powell made an amazing catch on CJ's throw, and caused an unfortunate interception on Jake's. I've seen a lot of people comment about how the team seemed to react better to CJ in the game... well duh he completed that long pass right off the bat. A big play like that is going to spark the team. If Powell hauls in Jake's deep ball then the reaction would have been the same. Now that 3rd down completion over the middle where he took a shot after slinging the ball was a special play... that one gave me hope that he could be special.

In some ways, I think Hawk fans are grasping at CJ being the answer to legitimately competing for a Big 10 title this year. I certainly hope he can prove that he is just that. However, at this point in time he has more to show me before I believe he is obviously the better choice over Jake. Like I said before, his performance in the 2nd half last week should have earned him the right to be given a chance. I hope he gets it.
 


DP5555 said:
I think CJ deserves the "audition" for the starting role whether Jake is hurt or not. His performance in the second half last week earned him the right to have that chance.

With that said, and it is just my opinion, but I honestly do not believe the difference between Jake and CJ is all that much. Jake's long ball to Powell was just as good as CJ's long ball to Powell. The difference is Powell made an amazing catch on CJ's throw, and caused an unfortunate interception on Jake's. I've seen a lot of people comment about how the team seemed to react better to CJ in the game... well duh he completed that long pass right off the bat. A big play like that is going to spark the team. If Powell hauls in Jake's deep ball then the reaction would have been the same. Now that 3rd down completion over the middle where he took a shot after slinging the ball was a special play... that one gave me hope that he could be special.

In some ways, I think Hawk fans are grasping at CJ being the answer to legitimately competing for a Big 10 title this year. I certainly hope he can prove that he is just that. However, at this point in time he has more to show me before I believe he is obviously the better choice over Jake. Like I said before, his performance in the 2nd half last week should have earned him the right to be given a chance. I hope he gets it.
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Umm, hey DP5555, I don't really have much to say about your post, but I noticed that you attribute a quote to Franimal that I believe should be attributed to Bruce Weber and this stirring and emotion filled video of him pumping up his team for the national title game against UNC. Look at the excitement the players show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yUrVJniqk
 


CJ needs to play smart, and yet, with abandon if he gets the start. He is an instinctual player, vs Jake, who is a technician. Both can excel but CJ has the higher ceiling simply due to his deep and intermediate passing. He actually completed a key third down pass before he threw the bomb to Powell. He changed the defense. He put them in a less aggressive posture. He scared them with that deep pass that they interfered on ...I honestly think that even if Powell had hung on to Jakes bomb, the defenders would not change their posture, because the ball simply gets there quicker with CJ...that makes d-backs nervous...and they back up, and give room. Jake is like a perfect backup QB, who can come in to run the team in a crisis. Chuck Long said last nite on BTN Live that he does think that CJ is better suited to the traditional Iowa offense...pound, pound, play-action downfield. Free CJ!
 




My gut tells me CJ plays well, throws 3 tds and a pick. We win the game...go into the bye week, then Kirk puts his boy Jake back in the starting role, citing "too many mistakes" by CJ.
 




DP5555 said:
I think CJ deserves the "audition" for the starting role whether Jake is hurt or not. His performance in the second half last week earned him the right to have that chance.

With that said, and it is just my opinion, but I honestly do not believe the difference between Jake and CJ is all that much. Jake's long ball to Powell was just as good as CJ's long ball to Powell. The difference is Powell made an amazing catch on CJ's throw, and caused an unfortunate interception on Jake's. I've seen a lot of people comment about how the team seemed to react better to CJ in the game... well duh he completed that long pass right off the bat. A big play like that is going to spark the team. If Powell hauls in Jake's deep ball then the reaction would have been the same. Now that 3rd down completion over the middle where he took a shot after slinging the ball was a special play... that one gave me hope that he could be special.

In some ways, I think Hawk fans are grasping at CJ being the answer to legitimately competing for a Big 10 title this year. I certainly hope he can prove that he is just that. However, at this point in time he has more to show me before I believe he is obviously the better choice over Jake. Like I said before, his performance in the 2nd half last week should have earned him the right to be given a chance. I hope he gets it.
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Jake's pass was great, no doubt. The problem he runs into, and Jon hit on this several times in his podcasts this week, is that he can't consistently hit the deep route after going through his progressions. He was going to Powell the whole way on that play. But when he looks at the whole field and tries to throw to the best available option, his arm can't play catch up if that option is the deep ball. Beathard's ball covered 50 yards in the air and looked absolutely effortless. Jake put at least most of what he has into his throw. Beathard can look at the whole field and come back to the deep ball at any time; Jake simply can't do that.

That said, I think Jake is a good QB, too.
 


tm3308 said:
Jake's pass was great, no doubt. The problem he runs into, and Jon hit on this several times in his podcasts this week, is that he can't consistently hit the deep route after going through his progressions. He was going to Powell the whole way on that play. But when he looks at the whole field and tries to throw to the best available option, his arm can't play catch up if that option is the deep ball. Beathard's ball covered 50 yards in the air and looked absolutely effortless. Jake put at least most of what he has into his throw. Beathard can look at the whole field and come back to the deep ball at any time; Jake simply can't do that.

That said, I think Jake is a good QB, too.
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I don't disagree with anything that you said. I don't think it's a debate who has the stronger arm. Clearly Beathard is in the lead in that category. However, if you're going to use an example to prove your point I don't think either deep ball from the Pitt game does so. Both Rudock and Beathard were going to Powell the whole way on both of those plays. Let's wait until we have proof that CJ is capable of working through his progressions and then using his arm strength to complete a long ball before we put him ahead in that category without even having evidence to do so.

Here is Dean's gif on the CJ pass. He didn't look at anyone else either. Had he looked at anyone else it would be up for debate whether or not he has the arm strength to still get the ball out in front of Powell.

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DP5555 said:
I don't disagree with anything that you said. I don't think it's a debate who has the stronger arm. Clearly Beathard is in the lead in that category. However, if you're going to use an example to prove your point I don't think either deep ball from the Pitt game does so. Both Rudock and Beathard were going to Powell the whole way on both of those plays. Let's wait until we have proof that CJ is capable of working through his progressions and then using his arm strength to complete a long ball before we put him ahead in that category without even having evidence to do so.

Here is Dean's gif on the CJ pass. He didn't look at anyone else either. Had he looked at anyone else it would be up for debate whether or not he has the arm strength to still get the ball out in front of Powell.
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Uh oh, DP555 is here. Why do I suddenly get the feeling Rudock is going to start now? TM308's comments are mostly self-evident based on having a stronger arm and quicker release. Don't really need video proof for that.
 
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CJ has superior instincts which translates into quicker recognition. He also has a quicker release and stronger arm. JR for all of his virtues has a relatively high weenie quotient....low warrior instincts....avoids sacks and pressure too.
 


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