Think about the last two years of Iowa Football

[busabus114]

Is there any way the last two years couldve gone worse?

Crazy thinking about all the things that happened: some bad luck, some bad football, some dumb student athletes, some questionable coaching, and a **** load of transfers/defections.

Brutal

 

[DJL]

I guess college kids are going to do really dumb things, but part of me wonders if an when KF needs to be held accountable for all of this.

 

[cmhawks99]

I guess college kids are going to do really dumb things, but part of me wonders if an when KF needs to be held accountable for all of this.

Just as soon as they start holding every coach in America accountability & every parent whose kid assaults someone or drives drunk or commits crimes.

Chad

 

[Igothawked]

I guess college kids are going to do really dumb things, but part of me wonders if an when KF needs to be held accountable for all of this.

Just as soon as they start holding every coach in America accountability & every parent whose kid assaults someone or drives drunk or commits crimes. Chad

I get what you are saying, but parents can be responsible for the actions of their children. Coaches can be at fault for the actions of their players. I tend to agree with DJL, at some point there is more than just kids being kids. Are the coaches taking the proper steps to preventing these problems? Are the coaches to hard on certain players and the players cant take the heat? Did the players not get what the coaches promised when they were recruited? We dont know the answers to those questions but to just assume the coaches are blameless seems a bit off to me.
There are a lot of reasons why the coaching staff could at least be partially responsible for the problems/defections of the players. If you dont think it is at least a possibility I think you might live in a cave.

 

[Cover3]

I get what you are saying, but parents can be responsible for the actions of their children. Coaches can be at fault for the actions of their players. I tend to agree with DJL, at some point there is more than just kids being kids. Are the coaches taking the proper steps to preventing these problems? Are the coaches to hard on certain players and the players cant take the heat? Did the players not get what the coaches promised when they were recruited? We dont know the answers to those questions but to just assume the coaches are blameless seems a bit off to me.
There are a lot of reasons why the coaching staff could at least be partially responsible for the problems/defections of the players. If you dont think it is at least a possibility I think you might live in a cave.

There are a lot of ways in which the coaches could be held accountable, but they can't be around these guys all the time. If the players do something stupid, all KF can do is discipline them, which he has consistently always done.

 

[Igothawked]

I get what you are saying, but parents can be responsible for the actions of their children. Coaches can be at fault for the actions of their players. I tend to agree with DJL, at some point there is more than just kids being kids. Are the coaches taking the proper steps to preventing these problems? Are the coaches to hard on certain players and the players cant take the heat? Did the players not get what the coaches promised when they were recruited? We dont know the answers to those questions but to just assume the coaches are blameless seems a bit off to me.There are a lot of reasons why the coaching staff could at least be partially responsible for the problems/defections of the players. If you dont think it is at least a possibility I think you might live in a cave.

There are a lot of ways in which the coaches could be held accountable, but they can't be around these guys all the time. If the players do something stupid, all KF can do is discipline them, which he has consistently always done.

I agree but then are the coaches making stupid decisions on who they recruit? Or are we just the unlucky recipient of recruits prone to making stupid decisions?
I think KF runs more of an NFL type program and is more distant from his players on a day to day basis than some other coaches in the B1G. Not saying this is the reason, but I dont see other B1G teams suffering from the legal problems/attrition problems as much as Iowa does (sans PSU after this year obviously).

 

[Cover3]

I agree but then are the coaches making stupid decisions on who they recruit? Or are we just the unlucky recipient of recruits prone to making stupid decisions?
I think KF runs more of an NFL type program and is more distant from his players on a day to day basis than some other coaches in the B1G. Not saying this is the reason, but I dont see other B1G teams suffering from the legal problems/attrition problems as much as Iowa does (sans PSU after this year obviously).

I don't really know the situation for other B1G teams, so you might be right there. However, I don't think anybody would say that it was a stupid decision to recruit Coker. Don't know what he did, but he seems like a good, humble kid. No kid is 100% guaranteed to get through college without a few bumps in the road (as many can attest to, myself included). Kirk's run a tight ship since he got here and suspended Khalil Hill for the whole 1999 season. I knock Kirk for a lot of things he does, but there is no way within reason that he can predict these guys's behavior once they hit campus if they have no prior history of trouble.

 

[H8IAST8]

2006 & 2007 called and said yes, it can be worse
2006 record 6-7 on the field
2007 record 6-6 on the field

Arvell Nelson, UI football, possession of marijuana (2008); driving while suspended (2007)
Abe Satterfield, UI football, sexual assault (2007)
Cedric Everson, UI football, sexual assault (2007)
Dana Brown, UI football, domestic abuse assault (2007)
Clint Huntrods, UI football, interference with official acts/public intoxication/urination in public (2007)
Ricky Stanzi, UI football, possession of alcohol under legal age (2007)
Dominique Douglas, UI football, unauthorized use of credit cards (2007)
Anthony Bowman, UI football, unauthorized use of credit cards (2007)
Ryan Bain, UI football, interference with official acts/public intoxication/disorderly conduct (2007);
Bradley Fletcher, UI football, drunken driving (2007)
Lance Tillison, UI football, drunken driving (2007)
Ben Evans, UI football, drunken driving (2007)
Tyler Gerstandt, UI football, possession of alcohol under legal age (2007)
Brandon Myers, UI football, interference with official acts/public
intoxication (2007)
Austin Postler, UI football, drunken driving (2006)
Ed Miles, UI football, assault (2006)
Corey Roberston, UI football, drunken driving (2006)

 

[Smarthawk]

Could it get any worse? In January 2010 we won a BCS game!! Last year we won the Insight Bowl. This year we can do that again. Any worse? Clearly you have NO SENSE WHATSOEVER about Iowa Football history. We had 19 non-winning seasons IN A ROW. Do you think that might be worse?

 

[busabus114]

Could it get any worse? In January 2010 we won a BCS game!! Last year we won the Insight Bowl. This year we can do that again. Any worse? Clearly you have NO SENSE WHATSOEVER about Iowa Football history. We had 19 non-winning seasons IN A ROW. Do you think that might be worse?

You misunderstood my point....given the talent and everything that happened could the last two years have gone any worse? This has no bearing on what happened 30-40 years ago. Look at the last two years alone.

Last year we went from Rose Bowl hopes to losing Wegher, Hampton, ARob, DJK getting arrested for keeping a drug house, losing close games, etc etc. This year more of the same as far as defections and disappointment.

Obviously we couldve gone 0-22 and that wouldve been worse but given the talent and all the momentum after the OB win could things have really worked out much worse?

The lone bright spot was winning the Insight....thats it

 

[koralakers]

Is there any way the last two years couldve gone worse?

Crazy thinking about all the things that happened: some bad luck, some bad football, some dumb student athletes, some questionable coaching, and a **** load of transfers/defections.

Brutal

GIve kf a raise and extension. He's the only hawk player or coach still left

 

[aeischeid]

GIve kf a raise and extension. He's the only hawk player or coach still left

Derp.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

Rather not.

 

[Hawkchop]

Lets only choose the years that fit my argument best.

 

[herkeye]

Is there any way the last two years couldve gone worse?

Crazy thinking about all the things that happened: some bad luck, some bad football, some dumb student athletes, some questionable coaching, and a **** load of transfers/defections.

Brutal

See 2006 and 2007 seasons for reference...

 

[DJL]

Last year someone handed me a crossword puzzle with all of the arrest and suspensions of Iowa football players in the KF era. It was a fun exercise, but also a little disheartening. Is it this bad everywhere else? I don't know, but at the very least, I would hope that the coaches see this as a problem and are trying to take extra steps to prevent this type of situation from coming up so often. I know they hired a guy to do this, but clearly that did not have the impact they hoped it would.

 

[herkeye]

Oh well, these types of things are cyclical by about 3 years. 1999, 2000 and 2001 had a few players get in to trouble and some BAD football, then 2002-2004 happened. 2005 was meh, but 2006 and 2007 are unmentionable. 2008 and 2009 were great seasons and 2010 was supposed to be great, but what a disappointment. This year was obviously a rebuilding year, but relating how last year turned out, I can understand why there is a little bit of impatience around the fan base. But given where the program is right now in that 3 year cycle, I'd say we are about 1 year to 2 years out from being relevant again. But don't worry Hawk fans, the sky isn't falling. It's not like we are getting hit with sanctions like PSU or OSU. Yeesh...

 

[bb4hawks]

If you want to punish or hold KF accountable for all of these things that the players are doing, you best look at every other coach in college football. It is happening everywhere not just at Iowa.

 

[1st]

If you want to punish or hold KF accountable for all of these things that the players are doing, you best look at every other coach in college football. It is happening everywhere not just at Iowa.

I think we're ranked no. 2 in the nation, however!

 

[AdamHawk]

I think we're ranked no. 2 in the nation, however!

In what? Discipline? Who determines these rankings?

It's silly to think that KF doesn't already try and recruit kids with the highest character. Most of the kids he recruits are captains on their HS team. There is no way you can put Coker's mess up on Ferentz. All he can do is deal with it justly.

I think people tend to come down on Ferentz so hard because he is swift and harsh with his punishment. I'd be willing to bet Coker's transgressions would get swept under the rug at other schools...probably at other schools in the B10 even. Fortunately (or unfortunately) that doesn't happen here.