The KY-South Carolina game

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FreddyBrown

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That is what college hoops is all about. Can you imagine how much fun it would be to watch Iowa play with a guard anything like Devin Downey? College hoops is a guard's game. It's awfully fun to watch when played by talented guards who are allowed to do what they do.

Unrelated point--I see Kevin Stallings has Vandy hanging around the top 25 again. As I understand the story, Barta had a contract drafted for Stallings that would have paid him substantially more than what Lickliter got. I assume that means an offer was made (you generally don't draw up contracts unless you get to that point). Was anything ever written about why he said "no"?
 
South Carolina...home crowd provided a pretty fierce environment for Kentucky's young team.

Downey was good, but he took a TON of ill-advised, contested shots. I think he took almost 30 shots and I don't think he made even 10 of them. He was on point for the most part down the stretch and it's apparent why he's averaging over 31 points in SEC play...but tonight probably wasn't his strongest performance.
 
hawkfan2679 said:
South Carolina...home crowd provided a pretty fierce environment for Kentucky's young team.

Downey was good, but he took a TON of ill-advised, contested shots. I think he took almost 30 shots and I don't think he made even 10 of them. He was on point for the most part down the stretch and it's apparent why he's averaging over 31 points in SEC play...but tonight probably wasn't his strongest performance.
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I only saw the last ten minutes or so, and at "winning time" he was phenomenal.
 
Downey was the difference-maker tonite which you have to have to beat a Ky team.
He is even quicker than Bledsoe and Wall. Wall is incredible in the open court,also tho.
Hate to say it but I was thinking about the SEC football speed issue watching these two SEC bb teams...they look faster than anyone in the Big Ten sans MSU.
 
Unrelated point--I see Kevin Stallings has Vandy hanging around the top 25 again. As I understand the story, Barta had a contract drafted for Stallings that would have paid him substantially more than what Lickliter got. I assume that means an offer was made (you generally don't draw up contracts unless you get to that point). Was anything ever written about why he said "no"?[/QUOTE]

I certainly don't know for certain but from everything I have been told by those who should know, Lickliter was the first choice. Stallings was on the list but Lick was first.
 
hawkfan2679 said:
South Carolina...home crowd provided a pretty fierce environment for Kentucky's young team.
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I was watching this game last night, and I found myself wondering why S. Carolina can generate such an environment even though they don't have any basketball tradition to speak of, and we can't. I know they were playing the #1 team in the country last night, but we couldn't even get 6k into the arena for Michigan St.

S. Carolinas fans and students were about as loud as you can get, and it seems like our students just kind of sit there and do nothing during the games. Ditto for Michigan's student section. You can see them alongside the court, and they were all on their feet, jumping up and down and making as much noise as they can, while our student section seems to just kind of sit there with their chins resting in their palms. What's up with that?

Who's in charge of coordinating some kind of student cheers or making sure they are all up and making noise? Whoever it is doesn't seem to be doing a very good job.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
I was watching this game last night, and I found myself wondering why S. Carolina can generate such an environment even though they don't have any basketball tradition to speak of, and we can't. I know they were playing the #1 team in the country last night, but we couldn't even get 6k into the arena for Michigan St.

S. Carolinas fans and students were about as loud as you can get, and it seems like our students just kind of sit there and do nothing during the games. Ditto for Michigan's student section. You can see them alongside the court, and they were all on their feet, jumping up and down and making as much noise as they can, while our student section seems to just kind of sit there with their chins resting in their palms. What's up with that?

Who's in charge of coordinating some kind of student cheers or making sure they are all up and making noise? Whoever it is doesn't seem to be doing a very good job.
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Because their team wasn't losing to Duqesne at home. A kick in the proverbial nuts to the fans like that can dampen enthusiasm for a long time.

Fans don't want to watch an embarassing team.
 
That was what college basketball is all about? Maybe because of the excitement and the crowd. But what I saw on the court (admittedly I only saw the last few minutes) looked like street ball. One player on either team drove for the basket on every play, the other players just looked like window dressing. Not team ball at all.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
Who's in charge of coordinating some kind of student cheers or making sure they are all up and making noise? Whoever it is doesn't seem to be doing a very good job.
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When our students are there, they stand the entire game (I know because I sit a few rows behind them) and yell like crazy. They just haven't been there much this year.
 
HawkeyeTech said:
That was what college basketball is all about? Maybe because of the excitement and the crowd. But what I saw on the court (admittedly I only saw the last few minutes) looked like street ball. One player on either team drove for the basket on every play, the other players just looked like window dressing. Not team ball at all.
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South Carolina's win was a team effort highlighted by one great player. Nothing wrong with that. There are times in basketball at every level when an individual player has to create a shot.

Do we not want great players at Iowa?
 
FreddyBrown said:
South Carolina's win was a team effort highlighted by one great player. Nothing wrong with that. There are times in basketball at every level when an individual player has to create a shot.

Do we not want great players at Iowa?
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Ronnie Lester would be written off as a streetballer by some Iowa fans these days. When I hear that term, I immediately think of that organizer of that new pro BB league...All American Basketball Alliance...he cited streetball as a reason that he was forming an all-white bb league where ''basketball fundamentals would be valued''...

Jake kelly was a streetballer type player also. Maybe he was destined to never fit at Iowa,where all evidence of flavor in your game makes you a threat to the ''new order''?
 
Lute Olsen used to set up his offense where he cleared out one side and let Ronnie go one on one and no one could stop him. Lute used to maximize Ronnie's skills.

Today we would not see that in Iowa's offense and thus, would not see what the true Ronnie Lester could do. Our coach would tie Ronnie's hands in favor of possessions. We would not see Ronnie going one on one on fast breaks. TL would not maximize Ronnie's skills like Lute used to, in favor of 'team possession ball.' Ronnie would be accused of street ball today and thus, some of you would not like Ronnie's 'style' of play amazingly because it would not fit into TL's gameplan and that is too bad.

That just means some of you never had the pleasure of watching Ronnie Lester play for Iowa. Had you, I can't help but think you would dearly love to see Ronnie in an Iowa uniform running Iowa's point, clearing out one side, and going one on one ANYTIME he wanted, regardless whether he fit into TL's system.

We would, in effect, not see Ronnie Lester in an Iowa uniform today. To be honest, if I had to chose between Ronnie Lester and TL...that isn't even a difficult choice...
 
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