The go to lineup?

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I'm just curious what you guys think? What lineup do you want to see at the end of a game like the MSU one that would get the damn job done?

Personally, I want to see a scoring PG and the board crashers that do have moderate shooting potential.

Scoring PG: Marble -- I think Gesell would work too.
3 F: White, Basabe, Uthoff -- All three of these guys are solid underneath the basket. Basabe and Uthoff have that 15-18 footer potential as well.
C: Olaseni - I think he's developing into our best player. He's so athletic for a big.

It would allow Dev the opportunity to make something happen.. Which he pretty much does anyway, but it would at least play to the strengths of it. Defensively they could be pretty menacing in the zone.. I think any lineup runs the zone really well on this team though.

What do you guys think? I feel this is something that has cost the Hawks 2-3 games this year.
 
Well poor shooting and free throws has been pretty big obviously as well.. to touch on that last line I said. I just think there needs to be a crunch time lineup that can come out and make some plays.
 
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Mike, Dev, Aaron, Slime, Gabe. Ball in Dev's hands but him more ready to drive and kick out to Mike and Aaron on the perimeter, with Aaron V-cutting and slashing in. Look to see if Mel's open if his defender has dropped off to help against Dev's drive. Gabe to enforce, grab a rebound or get the tip-in.
 
PG - Marble
SG - Uthoff
SF - White
PF - Basabe
C - Woody

That is my ideal starting 5 and crunch time 5 and would be virtually unstoppable on offense and a pretty solid defensive lineup too.

I love the way Gesell plays the point but he simply isnt a shooter and flat out sucks at the FT line.

Uthoff is hitting on 50% from 3 point land and simply needs more minutes.

Marble forces defenses to respect his dribble drive and often times their best defender plays him.

Basabe and White are there for the scraps and Woody is there purely for defense.
 
So confused at everyone clamoring for Uthoff to get more minutes this year. He is a below average ball handler and is falling to the floor all the time. He also missed several rebounds in the first half he should have had because he needs toughness. Not saying he won't be a good player, but he is really struggling with the speed and strength of the conference games IMO. I believe there is a reason he sat nearly the entire 2nd half.
 
The one that clearly does not work is having Mcabe at the 5.

Why our coach continues to do this is incomprehensible to me.

I think the end of game line up can vary depending on opponent, it just cant include Mcabe.

personally think we need to stop playing Aaron White at the 3 all together. More Utoff and 3 gaurd combinations at that spot.

Gabe / Woody need to be on the floor at the end, or Basabe in certain situations. Never Mcabe unless we need a 3.
 
bogeyman said:
So confused at everyone clamoring for Uthoff to get more minutes this year. He is a below average ball handler and is falling to the floor all the time. He also missed several rebounds in the first half he should have had because he needs toughness. Not saying he won't be a good player, but he is really struggling with the speed and strength of the conference games IMO. I believe there is a reason he sat nearly the entire 2nd half.
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He is weak, but he can shoot from the outsidr and put the ball on the deck, where White cannot from the 3. Its a tough call Imo.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
PG - Marble
SG - Uthoff
SF - White
PF - Basabe
C - Woody

That is my ideal starting 5 and crunch time 5 and would be virtually unstoppable on offense and a pretty solid defensive lineup too.

I love the way Gesell plays the point but he simply isnt a shooter and flat out sucks at the FT line.

Uthoff is hitting on 50% from 3 point land and simply needs more minutes.

Marble forces defenses to respect his dribble drive and often times their best defender plays him.

Basabe and White are there for the scraps and Woody is there purely for defense.
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Gesell sucks at the FT line so let's put Marble at the point, because he is all of 3% better than Gesell. If you want to pick the lineup based on who will make free throws, you're looking at White, Uthoff, McCabe, Woodbury, and Jok. That lineup is not winning any close games.

For the highest offensive efficiency lineup, I would guess: Marble, Gesell, Oglesby pick two; White, Uthoff, Basabe, Olaseni pick 3. That may require as much offense-defense substitution as possible.
 
RocknRollface said:
He is weak, but he can shoot from the outsidr and put the ball on the deck, where White cannot from the 3. Its a tough call Imo.
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Uthoff can shoot decent yes, but he really doesn't get open or pull the trigger much. I don't like him putting it on the deck, he consistently gets it poked away or fumbles it when he does. Every once in awhile he'll make a great play though and I think these glimpses are what mirror all his struggles with many people. Fran would have him out there more if he was that great. Some teams he just doesn't match up with well and some he does, MSU just too tough and strong for him. Just my 2 cents.
 
It's a game by game decision. There's no way I will say "it's these 5 guys" without question. Now looking at the Big 10 season as a whole and going with what I think gives us the best chance to win...all things being equal.

Gesell - Marble - White - Basabe - Woodbury (gets the nod due to game IQ and size)

Only Marble and White should touch the ball if the other team is in foul mode...unless we have to get it in bounds and have no other option.
 
Marble/Gesell
Marble/Oglesby
White
Basabe
Woody/Gabe

Without being given time constraints (are we talking final two minutes or just a final possession like last night?), I'll give the lineup I'd want to see in the last minute.

Who you take in the backcourt depends on what you're looking for, IMO. If you're not looking for a three-pointer, go with Gesell and Marble. If you are, go with Marble and Ogles3.

The frontcourt is relatively easy. White and Basabe are no-brainers. If the game has slowed down to half court, go with Woody, when his defensive ability is most valuable. If it's still pretty uptempo, or if it's a final possession where a putback could be in play, go with Gabe.
 
RocknRollface said:
The one that clearly does not work is having Mcabe at the 5.

Why our coach continues to do this is incomprehensible to me.

I think the end of game line up can vary depending on opponent, it just cant include Mcabe.

personally think we need to stop playing Aaron White at the 3 all together. More Utoff and 3 gaurd combinations at that spot.

Gabe / Woody need to be on the floor at the end, or Basabe in certain situations. Never Mcabe unless we need a 3.
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Very good points here which I whole heartedly agree with.
 
I think Fran would like to go with:

PG- McCabe
SG- McCabe
SF- McCabe
PF- McCabe
C- McCabe

He has all his basis covered that way.
 
4 favs. -Marble, Utoff, White, Basebe, 5th guy...
& Gabe (I could live with Clemmons vs. smaller lineup) JO vs zone, JO should never see floor vs. man

Sorry never McCabe - Gessell has cost us three games with choked FT shooting for PG - he earned the bench in crunch time -Woody if we need to foul the other team or get a dunk blocked by the rim
 
RocknRollface said:
He is weak, but he can shoot from the outsidr and put the ball on the deck, where White cannot from the 3. Its a tough call Imo.
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This is pretty much the biggest reason I included Uthoff in my 5. Defensively he does make some mistakes though.
 
brozley said:
4 favs. -Marble, Utoff, White, Basebe, 5th guy...
& Gabe (I could live with Clemmons vs. smaller lineup) JO vs zone, JO should never see floor vs. man

Sorry never McCabe - Gessell has cost us three games with choked FT shooting for PG - he earned the bench in crunch time -Woody if we need to foul the other team or get a dunk blocked by the rim
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Agree that Mike missing clutch free throws has been pretty huge.. I personally am always pretty shocked when he misses so many because he wasn't that bad of a shooter last year. He does play very solid defense and imo is our best PG though. I think Fran just needs to find a specialty role for McCabe.. I honestly think he's trying to make him do too much right now.
 
I like a rotating center position with Woody and Gabe. I like three forward positions rotating Basabe, Marble, White, Uthoff, Oglesby. I do NOT want Marble on the point except in specific situations. Gesell is quickly becoming, offensively and defensively, one of the top point guards in the conference. His assist/turnover ratio is off the charts. He screwed up MSU's half court offense Tuesday night with an unbelievable effort and skill set. (remember, Iowa held MSU to 61 points in regulation, one of our best defensive efforts this year) The comments above claiming that he is a poor free throw shooter is totally inaccurate. Granted, he is not shooting them as well right now as he has in the past, but he will get that fixed. And,
we really need to get Clemmons back on track...I still think he has a big upside...drives people crazy on defense, can shoot the ball, can make free throws, but right now is playing with 0 confidence. You have to have two point guards in this conf.
 
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