the draft
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Gohawks123
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The league had a down year. That being said its been on the decline for awhile now....and it does nothing to help us get top tier talent.
you must have NBA talent on the team to be successful in the ncaa. yes there has been teams that have won or gone a long ways with just role players and schemes (take UNI this year for example) but the majority of the time that raw talent a future pro brings is the key.
I'd go as far as to say it's kinda strange that ISU did as poorly as they did with a first round big man on the team and someone in gilstrap who will be playing ball professionally some where nect year
BeerZaux
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ya bro- i agree with that assessment on both counts
HawKCP
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It goes both ways because the NBA drafts so much on potential and so many guys are entering early. Take Kentucky for example...I didn't watch the draft tonight but by all accounts they were supposed to have either 4 or 5 1st Round draft picks...if the NBA talent determined NCAA success they would have won every game in blowout fashion.
Great NCAA players oftentimes don't make it as as pros because it's a different game. Andre Woolridge is a great example...he was on about the same level as Bobby Jackson as a college basketball player (probably even better) yet Jackson was a 1st Round draft pick and had a prosperous career and Woolridge never really got a shot.
The other thing that plays a role is that when you get drafted highly you are going to make a large amount of money initially no matter what...meaning that you represent a certain percentage of a team's salary cap...so they are forced to have you play even if there are other, better options available. Sometimes a guy is just a bust...but if Greg Oden were healthy and just playing terribly he'd still be getting playing time...whereas certain guys come into the league and might give a team some decent production but they become expendable because they're just a free agent pickup.
Think about a fantasy sports team. I drafted Josh Beckett high enough this year that I cannot possibly drop the schmuck...yet he's added nothing to my team...yet some guys I picked up who were undrafted and have put up better numbers have come and gone on the waiver wires.
NewMexHawk
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Are second round players guaranteed big money?
HawkeyeMike23
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No, they don't even have guaranteed contracts, they have to play their way onto a team.
busabus114
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I would say its a reflection of the Big Ten. Not a lot of great "pro players" this year obviously. If I was a top tier recruit I would rather play in the ACC than the Big Ten
HawkeyeMike23
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Completely disagree with this. The top level Big Ten teams are as good as any in the country. The lack of guys being drafted mainly has to do with the B10 having a ton of returning starters next year. Michigan St., Purdue, Ohio St, and Illinois all will be top 20 teams to start next season. Ohio St. and Illinois both are bringing in great recruiting classes, the B10 hasn't been on the decline at all, and next season it will again be one of the strongest leagues again. No conference in the country has better coaches than the B10 and saying the B10 can't get top tier talent is ridiculous.
busabus114
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Sure they have good teams but which of those returning players are going to be 1st round picks. Serious question...i dont see many.
Big Ten has great coaches and great teams but i dont see any way you can argue they have the top individual talent. The ACC, Big East and Big 12 lap the Big Ten in that department
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HawkeyeMike23
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Ok, I guess I consider top 100 recruits to be top tier talent. If we are talking about first round draft picks only as top tier talent, then I agree with you. But I think this has to do with coaches in the B10 not really going after one and dones, except for Matta. Izzo hasn't went after many, if any, one and done guys since Taylor and Randolph in the early 2000s. And for the record Duke won't have any guys drafted in the first round off of their national championship team.
busabus114
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Agreed. Its definitely a coaching philosophy and like you said except for Matta no other Big Ten coaches really go after one and dones. No matter how good the league is the Big Ten will not have many 1st round picks anytime in the near future
You also make a great point about Duke - you dont need guys like John Wall to win a title...it wouldnt hurt but other than Carmelo, experienced players win championships
If Kalin Lucas had not gotten injured and come out...he would have been a first rounder. PG's were scarce this year.
If Hummell had come out,he might have been a first rounder.
Lighty of OSU probably is a 2nd rounder if he came out.
Jon Leuer could be a 1st rounder next year.
McCamey possibly was a late 1st,or 2nd rounder if he comes out...again,shortage of pgs.
The Big Ten retained many of their top stars,unlike most leagues.
The Big Ten will again be very good,and will again have teams make a run to the final four..MSU,OSU and PU all could make it.
If Hummell had come out,he might have been a first rounder.
Lighty of OSU probably is a 2nd rounder if he came out.
Jon Leuer could be a 1st rounder next year.
McCamey possibly was a late 1st,or 2nd rounder if he comes out...again,shortage of pgs.
The Big Ten retained many of their top stars,unlike most leagues.
The Big Ten will again be very good,and will again have teams make a run to the final four..MSU,OSU and PU all could make it.
busabus114
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I disagree with Lucas and Hummel being 1st rounders. Lucas is tiny and not an outstanding shooter. Hummell will be a role player at best in the NBA
hawkeyescott
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I'm not sure if I agree on the places you think each would get drafted, but I do agree if these guys didn't come back they would have been drafted.
It was a young league last year and most of the talent came back for next year.
HawkeyeBench
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Interesting that Brackins and Johnson who were both drafted in the first round played on an Iowa State team (07-08) that failed to even make the NIT.
The Big Ten was down NBA talent wise. The reason these players didn't declare for the draft, is their stock just wasn't high enough. If the money was there, the players definately would have gone. Next year will be a little better, but I still don't see too many gauranteed first rounders in the big ten. Plus those other conferences probably aren't gonna fall too far back, there will be a lot of new talent in the pool too. So in my opinion the big ten is down right now, as far as NBA talent is concerned. They make up for it a little with good coaches that can maximize team playing, but top to bottom, the talent just is not in the Big Ten.
neither was even close to the player that they became at that point.
