The Barta question re: the Director's Cup

I'm still holding on to the theory that the U is just giving him some time to find another job.
 
Other than football and men's basketball I personally don't care. Sometimes I watch the Iowa/ISU or Penn St wrestling match and I tuned in to see the baseball team win the Big 10 championship and maybe I would check out the Iowa women's basketball team in the NCAA tourney.
 
tksirius said:
I'm still holding on to the theory that the U is just giving him some time to find another job.
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It'll probably happen about the same time evidence of Trump colluding with Russia comes out.

If it hasn't happened by now, probably ain't happening.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
It'll probably happen about the same time evidence of Trump colluding with Russia comes out.

If it hasn't happened by now, probably ain't happening.
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You're probably right, but how will that affect the athletic dept's ability to fire a poor female or non-straight employee?
 
The blue blood and east coast schools are going to dominate the "Olympic sports".

Football, M&W Basketball, wrestling, baseball, and softball would be the only sports I would care about ranking. Maybe volleyball to more even out M&W.
 
This is literally the first time I've ever heard of the Director's Cup.
NCAA is getting to be just like Hollywood - the keep coming up with meaningless award shows to pat themselves on the back for "Best Mediocrity in a Supporting Role".
 
The Director's Cup is the only tool I've seen that compares the performance of athletic depts against each other. We all know there is more to an AD's job than how the programs perform but a good Athletic Director hires the right coaches to win conference titles. Gary Barta has failed miserably in that endeavor. Just because there are a dozen U of I sports programs that you guys don't care about, doesn't mean it isn't part of Barta's job to hire competent coaches in these programs.
None of us knew or cared about Barta's failure to document an employee's poor job performance, prior to that lawsuit. You have an opinion on it now.
Face it. Gary Barta is a hack and his sports programs have consistently performed at the bottom of the BIG conference. You guys only care about Football and Men's basketball? Neither of those programs have won a conference title since Barta was hired. All he's done is driven ticket prices through the roof and attendance down.
 
lightning1 said:
The Director's Cup is the only tool I've seen that compares the performance of athletic depts against each other. We all know there is more to an AD's job than how the programs perform but a good Athletic Director hires the right coaches to win conference titles. Gary Barta has failed miserably in that endeavor. Just because there are a dozen U of I sports programs that you guys don't care about, doesn't mean it isn't part of Barta's job to hire competent coaches in these programs.
None of us knew or cared about Barta's failure to document an employee's poor job performance, prior to that lawsuit. You have an opinion on it now.
Face it. Gary Barta is a hack and his sports programs have consistently performed at the bottom of the BIG conference. You guys only care about Football and Men's basketball? Neither of those programs have won a conference title since Barta was hired. All he's done is driven ticket prices through the roof and attendance down.
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Other than that, you like Barta though?
 
lightning1 said:
The Director's Cup is the only tool I've seen that compares the performance of athletic depts against each other. We all know there is more to an AD's job than how the programs perform but a good Athletic Director hires the right coaches to win conference titles. Gary Barta has failed miserably in that endeavor. Just because there are a dozen U of I sports programs that you guys don't care about, doesn't mean it isn't part of Barta's job to hire competent coaches in these programs.
None of us knew or cared about Barta's failure to document an employee's poor job performance, prior to that lawsuit. You have an opinion on it now.
Face it. Gary Barta is a hack and his sports programs have consistently performed at the bottom of the BIG conference. You guys only care about Football and Men's basketball? Neither of those programs have won a conference title since Barta was hired. All he's done is driven ticket prices through the roof and attendance down.
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Gary Barta may stink at his job but don't throw that bull crap CIVIL lawsuit into the evaluation. That's a total and complete joke with a judgement from a minor league court system. He may not have documented the poor performance but even if he did there's so little burden of proof if any required in a civil suit that a peer jury could have decided against U of IA regardless. The fact is if the same thing happened and it does to a 'non-protected' class worker there would be no recourse. How do the rest of us get 'protected' status?

Upset about results and prices I get that but not the other. I still don't give a rip about the 'Directors Cup'... sorry.
 
ibahawkeye said:
Other than football and men's basketball I personally don't care. Sometimes I watch the Iowa/ISU or Penn St wrestling match and I tuned in to see the baseball team win the Big 10 championship and maybe I would check out the Iowa women's basketball team in the NCAA tourney.
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Nobody cares about any of the other sports.

What people seem to not understand is since only two sports matter, Iowa needs to produce in those two sports.

Basketball: Haven't won a league title since 79 - haven't made a run in the dance since 99 - so there is nothing there for Barta to brag about.

Football: Once every 5 years something great happens. Problem is the other 4 years we look like a Danny Mac cyclone team that is pwoud to get to 7 wins. So, I don't know that Barta can hang his hat on football either.

Takes us back to the central question. If people only care about two sports, then why does Barta keep getting sweet contracts for not producing? He's not that good at his job. Oh, and for those of you who say his job is to raise money. Sorry, but if fans cared more about buildings than games they could just skip the contests and pitch a lawn chair in front of the buildings and stare at them and say, "Honey, this is much more fun than watching Hawkeyes beat their rivals."
 
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Joshbrown said:
Nobody cares about any of the other sports.

What people seem to not understand is since only two sports matter, Iowa needs to produce in those two sports.

Basketball: Haven't won a league title since 79 - haven't made a run in the dance since 99 - so there is nothing there for Barta to brag about.

Football: Once every 5 years something great happens. Problem is the other 4 years we look like a Danny Mac cyclone team that is pwoud to get to 7 wins. So, I don't know that Barta can hang his hat on football either.

Takes us back to the central question. If people only care about two sports, then why does Barta keep getting sweet contracts for not producing? He's not that good at his job. Oh, and for those of you who say his job is to raise money. Sorry, but if fans cared more about buildings than games they could just skip the contests and pitch a lawn chair in front of the buildings and stare at them and say, "Honey, this is much more fun that watching Hawkeyes beat their rivals."
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I did not say I do not care about any other sports. I said I don't care about the Directirs Cup. What kind of loser brags about the results of this to other fans? It encompasses all sports some of which I really do not care about. So we get some higher ranking because we did well in crew and field hockey. Hooray!

I also never said Barta is awesome because he's not. But hypothetically let's say Fran wins a B1G title in the next couple of seasons. Does that now make Barta awesome in your eyes because Fran would be the first Iowa bball coach in 40 years to do that (spanning 4 coaches)? What if Fran gets a runner up finish? Now that's probably an excellent season but it's not a title so it counts for nothing? What if they have a disappointing season get in as a bubble team and make a sweet 16 / final 8 run. Again now Barta is awesome? That's how silly your evaluation arguments are because I'd say no it does not on Barta. It says more about Fran, his staff and the players he has recruited and developed. Barta gets some credit for hiring Fran and supporting him but it does not elevate him into rockstar status.

Football we had a 12-0 run in the regular season against a favorable schedule. That's something I never thought I would see regardless of the quality of opponents played. Does that make Barta awesome? I do not think so.
 
I don't think Barta should have a job at this point for Iowa. This has nothing to do with "Director Cup" points though.
 
deanvogs said:
I don't think Barta should have a job at this point for Iowa. This has nothing to do with "Director Cup" points though.
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I'm no fan but that other reason for not having a job is totally bogus. It's not like letting him go does not have a dollar cost either. He's got a contract.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
I'm no fan but that other reason for not having a job is totally bogus. It's not like letting him go does not have a dollar cost either. He's got a contract.
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I don't really worry about the dollar cost of letting Barta go. When the head man creates a fiasco like Barta did, they need to be shown the door.
 
I wish Barta was gone as well.

BUT

He raises money. He has the revenue stream absolutely flowing. And everything comes down to money. And Barta brings in the money.

That law suit is drop in the buck compared tot he money Barta has overseen the department generating.
 
deanvogs said:
I don't really worry about the dollar cost of letting Barta go. When the head man creates a fiasco like Barta did, they need to be shown the door.
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Again I cannot go there with your on that issue as that's a complete societal sham. Anything else I can agree but not that. If you buy into that then you have been hood winked.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
Again I cannot go there with your on that issue as that's a complete societal sham. Anything else I can agree but not that. If you buy into that then you have been hood winked.
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I haven't been "hood winked" by anyone. I am the last person to bow down to Political correctness. I could really give a rip less about that stuff.

What I do know is it took Barta far too long to clear out the "old guard" that held Iowa back for a long time in the Athletic department. Meyer was the last of the old guard, and she took him to the freaking wood shed. When your employees run all over you, and can navigate the office better than the boss can, that is incompetence at the top.

This is my opinion from running a business for 2 decades, dealing with employees, and cities and changes in the laws and how things are done. If you don't share it, that is fine, we are all free to our opinions. Just don't mistake a difference in opinion as having been "fooled" or "tricked" into thinking that way.
 
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