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#1DieHardHawk
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It all falls on them.
We run a zone-blocking scheme and have for years. Like any scheme it can be good or bad in a given situation.
Part of the issue with the current coaching is that Polasek to my knowledge has never been an OL coach. When he was at NDSU, his offense ran a power blocking scheme and not a zone scheme.
The current struggles almost certainly are his lack of familiarity coaching the scheme combined with some questionable offensive line recruiting around the time that he got here. It's been better recently, but right now we are living with the Paulsens, Schott and, until recently, Banwart. No offense to them, but not exactly a murderer's row there. We're going to need to develop some of the younger guys rapidly for next season.
We run a zone-blocking scheme and have for years. Like any scheme it can be good or bad in a given situation.
Part of the issue with the current coaching is that Polasek to my knowledge has never been an OL coach. When he was at NDSU, his offense ran a power blocking scheme and not a zone scheme.
The current struggles almost certainly are his lack of familiarity coaching the scheme combined with some questionable offensive line recruiting around the time that he got here. It's been better recently, but right now we are living with the Paulsens, Schott and, until recently, Banwart. No offense to them, but not exactly a murderer's row there. We're going to need to develop some of the younger guys rapidly for next season.
DBAHawkFan
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There’s no forward thinking with on offense with this program.
Hiring a retired Greg Davis to run the offense, or worse some horrible hybrid of Greg’s passing scheme with Kirk’s zone run game
Then Kirk hired a guy who’s also his son as a OC who’s never called a play in his life. Who do they get to run the OL, a guy who’s never taught it before and no experience period with zone blocking scheme.
How did anyone think this would produce a competent offense ? At least KOK offense had some identity, and as we know his shortcomings had more to do with his boss.
Tired of our OL recruiting as well. We don’t even try for high level recruits across the country. We look for undersized projects that take years to put on weight (and even then still not enough for P5) and are about 50/50 they even pan out
frustrating
Hiring a retired Greg Davis to run the offense, or worse some horrible hybrid of Greg’s passing scheme with Kirk’s zone run game
Then Kirk hired a guy who’s also his son as a OC who’s never called a play in his life. Who do they get to run the OL, a guy who’s never taught it before and no experience period with zone blocking scheme.
How did anyone think this would produce a competent offense ? At least KOK offense had some identity, and as we know his shortcomings had more to do with his boss.
Tired of our OL recruiting as well. We don’t even try for high level recruits across the country. We look for undersized projects that take years to put on weight (and even then still not enough for P5) and are about 50/50 they even pan out
frustrating
I understand the back story of Polasek and his he came here without o line coaching experience. But saying that, does Kirk as the HC or even Brian as the OC just let a guy come in and do his thing? I would think that with Kirk being an o line coach himself that he wouldn't dictate to whoever the o line coach is what exactly they coach, what techniques and schemes, etc. Am I wrong?
trj
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Not an expert on the technical stuff, but it is clear not everyone is on the same page. NS called an audible in the 3rd quarter and called a run play right into the blitz. Did Lindenbaum eff up the line call? Did NS just get fooled? I don’t have answers to any of these questions.
Right now I would put it on BF, he can’t scheme around poor guard play.
Right now I would put it on BF, he can’t scheme around poor guard play.
NCHawker
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You name 3 people. And there are 4 things.
Recruiting
Development
Scheme
Coaching
Let's build a matrix - just like we're at work. Lets use Powerpoint. each of these are listed in their strategic importance ranging from strategic to week to week tactical.
Recruiting is on KF and the staff in general.
Development - that's on Doyle and the position coaches
Scheme - I don't think this is an issue at OL. Iowa employes multiple blocking schemes. And nobody on this forum is X and O qualified to judge that.
Coaching that is on Polesek (sp?) and I suppose
hawkfan2679
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I can only speak from my own coaching experience, but here's the general idea of how staffs I've been associated with have done it (relative to the Iowa staff).
I think after 21 years it is apparent this is the KF philosophy. So KF brings in a guy who he feels is going to best run his philosophy. Within the framework of that philosophy, there is a certain amount of latitude given to that assistant to do his own thing. It starts to be strained when the OC would start to do things or teach things that the HC is uncomfortable with...the HC lets him know, the OC either changes or pushes back and if there is too much friction, there's usually a parting of the ways. The same relationship exists between the OC and the position coaches...the OC has his way he wants things done (again, within the framework of the HC's philosophy), but there is an amount of latitude given to the coach to teach the techniques in his own way, as long as it gets done. With KF/BF being big OL guys, I would assume there would be a great deal of input there, which is why the Polasek hire was/is so unusual. The adage is that you coach what you know...Polasek was an OC but I don't think he's ever coached the OL so it wouldn't be his strongest area. So I'm assuming there was a fair amount of "coaching the coach" prior to him getting in front of the guys. As far as scheme, that's all going to come from BF most likely. The OL coach probably has some input he gives on what his guys can/can't do, which should help shape what an OC/playcaller does (tweaking an offense to fit the personnel).
Again, just to be clear, this has just been my experience so I tried to avoid speaking in too many "sure things".