Supplements

AHawk1

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There is no way 12 athletes go to the hospital with excessive tissue break down following a work out. This has to be related to bad supplements. There are so many new athletic supplements out there on the market and none go thru any FDA testing. Similar to the athletes seeing the great gains attributed to Creatine a few years ago and then seeing the side effects in games with all the cramping. Somebody sold these kids a bill of goods that probably works for the average Joe, but creates dehydration and tissue break down when used by elite athletes that are pushing themselves to near exhaustion.
 




CAN SOMEONE POINT ME TO A CREDIBLE SOURCE THAT SAYS ALL 12 PLAYERS SUFFERED FROM EXTERNAL RHABDOMYOLYSIS?

Or is everyone just going to keep regurgitating it as fact?
 


Another ignorant post. Just people making statements without any knowledge. Pure speculation.

Dr. Rupert P. Galvez, a sports medicine doctor, has stated that it is "unusual - but not unheard of - to see so many players come down with the condition (rhabdomyolysis) simultaneously.

Jon Miller hit the nail on the head when he wrote
"RE: the grueling workouts...its first week back after Christmas break last week. It's college football. This ain't intramurals."
The syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, often occurs when athletes who have not been training have a sudden increase in the intensity of their workouts, like a return to practice after a summer break, said Dr. Rupert P. Galvez, ... who wrote a 2008 article about the syndrome.
"It may tend to happen more toward the beginning of the season, as they’re starting up their preconditioning training," Galvez said.
From the New York Times:
Two dozen Oregon high school football players who went to a hospital last week complaining of sore and swollen muscles — including three who required surgery — probably suffered from an extreme version of a muscle syndrome caused by intense exercise, sports medicine experts said Monday.
The syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, often occurs when athletes who have not been training have a sudden increase in the intensity of their workouts....
It often occurs at the beginning of the season, but a grueling workout the first week after Christmas break makes sense.
In 2008, Galvez documented a case involving seven N.C.A.A. Division I swimmers who were put through a similarly intense upper-body workout.
In 2005, a British medical journal reported on 119 high school students in Taiwan who developed rhabdomyolysis after their physical education teacher required them to do 120 push-ups in five minutes.
So it's not unheard of, but still not at all good.
 


There is no way 12 athletes go to the hospital with excessive tissue break down following a work out. This has to be related to bad supplements. There are so many new athletic supplements out there on the market and none go thru any FDA testing. Similar to the athletes seeing the great gains attributed to Creatine a few years ago and then seeing the side effects in games with all the cramping. Somebody sold these kids a bill of goods that probably works for the average Joe, but creates dehydration and tissue break down when used by elite athletes that are pushing themselves to near exhaustion.

It doesn't HAVE to be related to bad supplements. There are plenty of other agents that can lead to rhabdomyolysis. (assuming all 12 present with similar severity of it).

However, if it is bad supplements, then that needs to be addressed by the NCAA, so that you don't have guys dropping dead during summer practices.
 


Another ignorant post. Just people making statements without any knowledge. Pure speculation.

Dr. Rupert P. Galvez, a sports medicine doctor, has stated that it is "unusual - but not unheard of - to see so many players come down with the condition (rhabdomyolysis) simultaneously.

Jon Miller hit the nail on the head when he wrote
"RE: the grueling workouts...its first week back after Christmas break last week. It's college football. This ain't intramurals."
The syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, often occurs when athletes who have not been training have a sudden increase in the intensity of their workouts, like a return to practice after a summer break, said Dr. Rupert P. Galvez, ... who wrote a 2008 article about the syndrome.
"It may tend to happen more toward the beginning of the season, as they’re starting up their preconditioning training," Galvez said.
From the New York Times:
Two dozen Oregon high school football players who went to a hospital last week complaining of sore and swollen muscles — including three who required surgery — probably suffered from an extreme version of a muscle syndrome caused by intense exercise, sports medicine experts said Monday.
The syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, often occurs when athletes who have not been training have a sudden increase in the intensity of their workouts....
It often occurs at the beginning of the season, but a grueling workout the first week after Christmas break makes sense.
In 2008, Galvez documented a case involving seven N.C.A.A. Division I swimmers who were put through a similarly intense upper-body workout.
In 2005, a British medical journal reported on 119 high school students in Taiwan who developed rhabdomyolysis after their physical education teacher required them to do 120 push-ups in five minutes.
So it's not unheard of, but still not at all good.

Wait a minute. 119 high school students got it after doing 120 push ups in 5 minutes? Holy crap, your kidding me. My last PT test I did 100 in two minutes and didn't have any effects that lasted longer than a couple of minutes.


Of course, that would make more sense if they were from North Dakota and not Taiwan.
 


I wonder if any of the players are on anything like "Hydroxy Cut" or other weight loss products that will help them look ripped by removing water from their system?
 


Another ignorant post. Just people making statements without any knowledge. Pure speculation.

Dr. Rupert P. Galvez, a sports medicine doctor, has stated that it is "unusual - but not unheard of - to see so many players come down with the condition (rhabdomyolysis) simultaneously.

Jon Miller hit the nail on the head when he wrote
"RE: the grueling workouts...its first week back after Christmas break last week. It's college football. This ain't intramurals."
The syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, often occurs when athletes who have not been training have a sudden increase in the intensity of their workouts, like a return to practice after a summer break, said Dr. Rupert P. Galvez, ... who wrote a 2008 article about the syndrome.
"It may tend to happen more toward the beginning of the season, as they’re starting up their preconditioning training," Galvez said.
From the New York Times:
Two dozen Oregon high school football players who went to a hospital last week complaining of sore and swollen muscles — including three who required surgery — probably suffered from an extreme version of a muscle syndrome caused by intense exercise, sports medicine experts said Monday.
The syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, often occurs when athletes who have not been training have a sudden increase in the intensity of their workouts....
It often occurs at the beginning of the season, but a grueling workout the first week after Christmas break makes sense.
In 2008, Galvez documented a case involving seven N.C.A.A. Division I swimmers who were put through a similarly intense upper-body workout.
In 2005, a British medical journal reported on 119 high school students in Taiwan who developed rhabdomyolysis after their physical education teacher required them to do 120 push-ups in five minutes.
So it's not unheard of, but still not at all good.

I would argue that it is a bigger speculation that they just got this from just doing strenuous exercise.
 


Listening to Poggi's case (on the press conference), it looks like it was a week of strenuous practices. Jim was sore prior to the weekend, and it got progressively worse until he was admitted. Doesn't look like it was just 1 day, though the final straw may have been the Monday practice.
 


Listening to Poggi's case (on the press conference), it looks like it was a week of strenuous practices. Jim was sore prior to the weekend, and it got progressively worse until he was admitted. Doesn't look like it was just 1 day, though the final straw may have been the Monday practice.

Sounds like the contributer was the Thursday practice, which sounds like it was the squats practice. Also kinda sounds like he didn't necessarily take the proper steps to recovery. Not trying to blame the kid for anything but going to the steam room probably wasn't the best idea.
 


i would assume they're all taking creatine which can severely dehydrate you. hell, a person that just lifts weights while on creatine must consume1-2 gallons of water a day. add weightlifting on to a normal football practice. 3-4 gallons?
 


Sounds like the contributer was the Thursday practice, which sounds like it was the squats practice. Also kinda sounds like he didn't necessarily take the proper steps to recovery. Not trying to blame the kid for anything but going to the steam room probably wasn't the best idea.

I agree about the steam room, but the stretching probably wasn't a bad idea (when he was just sore).
 


Another ignorant post. Just people making statements without any knowledge. Pure speculation.

Dr. Rupert P. Galvez, a sports medicine doctor, has stated that it is "unusual - but not unheard of - to see so many players come down with the condition (rhabdomyolysis) simultaneously.

Jon Miller hit the nail on the head when he wrote
"RE: the grueling workouts...its first week back after Christmas break last week. It's college football. This ain't intramurals."
The syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, often occurs when athletes who have not been training have a sudden increase in the intensity of their workouts, like a return to practice after a summer break, said Dr. Rupert P. Galvez, ... who wrote a 2008 article about the syndrome.
"It may tend to happen more toward the beginning of the season, as they’re starting up their preconditioning training," Galvez said.
From the New York Times:
Two dozen Oregon high school football players who went to a hospital last week complaining of sore and swollen muscles — including three who required surgery — probably suffered from an extreme version of a muscle syndrome caused by intense exercise, sports medicine experts said Monday.
The syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, often occurs when athletes who have not been training have a sudden increase in the intensity of their workouts....
It often occurs at the beginning of the season, but a grueling workout the first week after Christmas break makes sense.
In 2008, Galvez documented a case involving seven N.C.A.A. Division I swimmers who were put through a similarly intense upper-body workout.
In 2005, a British medical journal reported on 119 high school students in Taiwan who developed rhabdomyolysis after their physical education teacher required them to do 120 push-ups in five minutes.
So it's not unheard of, but still not at all good.

Whats your knowledge there smart a--. Anytime you want to have a medical discussion at any level, tape your ankles and bring it. Is it possible the condition was solely atrributed to excessive workouts, yes. However, as was stated in the poor press conference they will be investigating this further to see if supplements were involved. Further, your nuts, if you don't think these athletes are taking some sort of nutritional supplements. Most probably under the direction of the staff, but not all.
 


i would assume they're all taking creatine which can severely dehydrate you. hell, a person that just lifts weights while on creatine must consume1-2 gallons of water a day. add weightlifting on to a normal football practice. 3-4 gallons?

1-2 Gallons? Are you serious? Where's the research?
 


Whats your knowledge there smart a--. Anytime you want to have a medical discussion at any level, tape your ankles and bring it. Is it possible the condition was solely atrributed to excessive workouts, yes. However, as was stated in the poor press conference they will be investigating this further to see if supplements were involved. Further, your nuts, if you don't think these athletes are taking some sort of nutritional supplements. Most probably under the direction of the staff, but not all.

Can I play? Sorry that I dont tape my ankles, wear a belt while squatting and have used Creatine Monohydrate Powder + Kre Alkalyn ph correct creatine for years now. Would you please tell me what the DSHEA of 1994's definition of a dietary supplement is? Tell me what the NCAA regulation and the USOC regulation's are and what are the Illegal/legal supplements, the banned/not banned definition and also the defenition by these two organizations of what is Impermissible/permissible?

Chris Doyle could tell you all of the above and more without batting an eye and trust me in saying your use of the term nutritional supplements with the sentence following, "Most probably under the direction of the staff, but not all", shows your lack of understanding of NCAA guidelines.
 


Wait a minute. 119 high school students got it after doing 120 push ups in 5 minutes? Holy crap, your kidding me. My last PT test I did 100 in two minutes and didn't have any effects that lasted longer than a couple of minutes.


Of course, that would make more sense if they were from North Dakota and not Taiwan.

Yeah but they were doing real push ups. Not that US Military, elbow bouncing, nonsense.;)
 




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