State-by-state recruiting, per capita

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TylerSash

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Obviously we all knew Iowa produces relatively few D1 FBS players, but I was surprised that we were so low when adjusted for "per-capita". This is saying that the whole state only produced 1 FBS signee for the 2011 class, that is surprising to me. Most years there is more than 1.

Also, I would be interested in seeing the number of NFL players from each state on a per-capita basis. I suspect Iowa would be somewhere towards the middle of the pack.
 
just makes you appreciate kirk all the more. the opposite of chizik, who couldn't build a program legally, so he had to go to the SEC and buy a team.
 
MedHawk08 said:
Obviously we all knew Iowa produces relatively few D1 FBS players, but I was surprised that we were so low when adjusted for "per-capita". This is saying that the whole state only produced 1 FBS signee for the 2011 class, that is surprising to me. Most years there is more than 1.

Also, I would be interested in seeing the number of NFL players from each state on a per-capita basis. I suspect Iowa would be somewhere towards the middle of the pack.
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So I guess Blythe and Henry Krieger-Coble equals one player? Rivals is weak in half the crap they put out.
 
A few people need to learn how to read and process information.

This is not saying that there was only 1 FBS signee in Iowa last year, but there was only 1 for every 2,000 or so high school players, so Krieger-Coble and Blythe represent over 4,000 high school kids that it took to get 2 players of that caliber in the state of Iowa.
 
MedHawk08 said:
Obviously we all knew Iowa produces relatively few D1 FBS players, but I was surprised that we were so low when adjusted for "per-capita". This is saying that the whole state only produced 1 FBS signee for the 2011 class, that is surprising to me. Most years there is more than 1.
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Obviously you do not understand what the concept of "per capita" means. Per that article the state of Iowa produces 1 FBS recruit for every 2,161 high school players.
 
TylerSash said:
A few people need to learn how to read and process information.

This is not saying that there was only 1 FBS signee in Iowa last year, but there was only 1 for every 2,000 or so high school players, so Krieger-Coble and Blythe represent over 4,000 high school kids that it took to get 2 players of that caliber in the state of Iowa.
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Hey genius, read the freakin quote from his post. That is what I responded to.
 
MedHawk08 said:
Obviously we all knew Iowa produces relatively few D1 FBS players,
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Yet every year, people get ticked at me when I point out the demographic issues that face the Iowa football program.

Some say they tire of the 'little old iowa' syndrome, as they like to put it. There are real and significant factors that Iowa has to overcome, the information above being a huge part of it.
 
PJHawk said:
Obviously you do not understand what the concept of "per capita" means. Per that article the state of Iowa produces 1 FBS recruit for every 2,161 high school players.
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I know what "per capita" means, thank you. Simply read over the info hastily and thus misread it, sorry to have offended some of you.
 
I always get ripped for saying Iowa is closer to 19 consecutive non-winning seasons than it is to the National Championship Game.

Ohio State can win the national title recruiting within a 140 mile radius of Columbus. How many quality Division I players reside within 140 miles of Iowa City.

According to Scout.com, there were only four 3-star recruits in Iowa last year. In contrast, Ohio had 81 3-star or better recruits. OSU lost two of the top five in-state prospects to Alabama, yet still had the best recruiting class in the Big Ten.

Look at basketball. OSU is one of the best teams in the country, if not the best. The Bucks use a seven man rotation and six of those seven are from Ohio. The seventh, Thomas, is from Ft. Wayne, which is only 165 miles from Columbus.

People do not understand the fantastic jobs Bucky O'Connor, Ralph Miller, Lute, Evy, Hayden & Coach Ferentz have done at Iowa.

With all the disadvatages Iowa has in competing in the Big Ten, it is remarkable that the current state of the basketball program is an aberration instead of the norm.
 
Population, better youth football, more games played in youth ball and high school, spring practices in high school, are all topics to look at with this topic.
Iowa high schoolers play 9 game seasons so in a young man's 4 years of high school he plays 18 games as a frosh and a soph and with the new playoff format they probably get 10-11 games as juniors and seniors which means about 40 games in high school. That is not a lot.
 
I have a problem with the main article that started this thread:
Mapping the talent: For top recruits, it's still 'Go South, young man' - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF - Yahoo! Sports

Look I know that Iowa football produces between 2-6 players per year that Iowa would even consider recruiting. And all of that is understood and considered. But THIS particular article does not account for previous years, just one year's rivals recruiting rankings.

That being said, Iowa is ranked 11th per capita in NFL talent. So while the depth of the state is shallow, the talent that gets to Iowa does extremely well. Iowa is a state that is mostly a white rural/suburban demographic. The urban areas in Iowa have really sub-par youth programs and the urban teams are consistently underwhelming. Look the depth sucks, but Iowa high school football is not THAT bad. And I know Des Moines is improving youth opportunities for Des Moines kids.
 
Iowa may not produce a great number of players, however there are so many players out there that the Texas', Ohio St's, etc. can't have. Point is that the big boys can't have them all. Again, Nebraska doesn't produce great in-state talent, but for some reason they don't have to fight that "lil ole Nebraska" syndrome. If your a good program as Iowa has been for 30+ yrs, you can recruit out of state without a lot of problems. Iowa is an established program and has been for a long, long, long time. They will continue to get good players. Some of that is attributed to the coaching staff, some to excellent facilities, some to a great fanbase and some to having a great stadium.
 
Meh, let me know when you find one based on per capita of actual poplulation, or even high school-age population.

This could just as easily be interpreted as a matter of access to playing HS football in each state. In Iowa, outside of 4A the vast majority of boys play HS football. There is virtually no limit of access here. This increases the size of the high school football player pool in relation to our general population, and it increases our pool with less talented players specifically. This isn't true in other states where there may be limited participation and where football faces more competition for kids' interests.
 
hawkfan340 said:
Meh, let me know when you find one based on per capita of actual poplulation, or even high school-age population.

This could just as easily be interpreted as a matter of access to playing HS football in each state. In Iowa, outside of 4A the vast majority of boys play HS football. There is virtually no limit of access here. This increases the size of the high school football player pool in relation to our general population, and it increases our pool with less talented players specifically. This isn't true in other states where there may be limited participation and where football faces more competition for kids' interests.
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To add to your point ... many of the boys outside of 4A not only play football, they are multi-sport athletes. Furthermore, because of resources and how things are in Iowa ... while there may not really be an extended football season (like having a separate 7 on 7 season) that can lead to the production of MORE REFINED football talent, there are TRULY EXCELLENT all-around athletes. Iowa is a really cool state insofar that there is still plenty of emphasis also placed upon basketball and wrestling. As we've seen in our Hawk program ... these different sports can translate pretty well to football too. How many of our great TEs also happened to be pretty darn good HS basketball players? How many of our great linemen also happened to be pretty darn good HS wrestlers?

I think that the "truth" is that Iowa doesn't always produce a ton of REFINED football talents ... and that is a reason why our program often has to search elsewhere for many of our skill players. However, the state still produces some of them. And, furthermore, the state produces a lot of quality all-around athletes who are ripe for the Hawk's development program. There's a reason why Ferentz places such emphasis on our walk-on program an on player development. Our squad is comprised of better "building blocks" than many folks give us credit.
 
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