HaydenHawk56
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Since 2010-11
Hofstra - 28
UC Davis - 26
Iowa - 25
South Carolina State - 25
Eastern Washington - 25
Hofstra - 28
UC Davis - 26
Iowa - 25
South Carolina State - 25
Eastern Washington - 25
See this stat floating around: Division I, Most Losses After Leading at the Half
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Bigtenchamp
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Yikes
Part of me wants to blame Fran... but my bigger instinct is that we have some players that just don't handle adversity well.
Part of me wants to blame Fran... but my bigger instinct is that we have some players that just don't handle adversity well.
Yea it's tough because Fran is the same coach that gets us the leads at half. I honestly thing the guys on this team have blown to many leads to recover mentally from it. We are probably going to see a lot more of the same until new guys become the focal point of this team. Unless they can somehow break the trend that is. It looked like they were on the right track and if we won this game we were probably over the hump. Now we're probably two steps back.
We will see alot of the same till Fran is fired, he is in over his head and now has proven he can't handle it...time to move on.
knighthawk13
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Fran isn't going anywhere; nor should he. I would like to see him mix some things up in the second half, however.
hawkfan340
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I have no data to prove this so just speculating, but I would bet that this stat is correlated with teams with a high FT rate/that score a lot from the line.
Teams that rely heavily on FTs for their offense are probably muddled down as refs start to swallow their whistles and fouls tend to even out over the course of the game.
Actual data may prove me wrong, but I've always had this as a suspicion that this is a weakness in our/Fran's philosophy.
Teams that rely heavily on FTs for their offense are probably muddled down as refs start to swallow their whistles and fouls tend to even out over the course of the game.
Actual data may prove me wrong, but I've always had this as a suspicion that this is a weakness in our/Fran's philosophy.
1977Hawkeye
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Is it Fran, or is it the players? My best guess, it's a little of both. Iowa consistently shows that they can play well in the first half and have the lead at halftime against good teams. So, what goes wrong in the second half?
Another educated guess here, but to me, it points to the opposing coaches making adjustments at halftime and getting their team fired up and playing hard in the second half. Iowa has no answers, seemingly.
Whether that's on the players, coaches, or both, is up for debate, but it's the same pattern over and over. Obviously this stat bears out the fact that this isn't just our imaginations.
Another educated guess here, but to me, it points to the opposing coaches making adjustments at halftime and getting their team fired up and playing hard in the second half. Iowa has no answers, seemingly.
Whether that's on the players, coaches, or both, is up for debate, but it's the same pattern over and over. Obviously this stat bears out the fact that this isn't just our imaginations.
nationalchamps
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I think it's both as well. If you noticed last night, we were kicking their AZZ in the paint in the first half with Olaseni and then we come out for the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half and we are settling for contested 3's and fallaway jumpers. WTF????? At some point Fran needs to see this quicker and remind them to stick with what got them the lead in the first place. Maybe they just out-think themselves sometimes?
1977Hawkeye
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I think it's both as well. If you noticed last night, we were kicking their AZZ in the paint in the first half with Olaseni and then we come out for the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half and we are settling for contested 3's and fallaway jumpers. WTF????? At some point Fran needs to see this quicker and remind them to stick with what got them the lead in the first place. Maybe they just out-think themselves sometimes?
Yep. It seemed like in the first half, Iowa was playing tough D and forcing turnovers, which also helped them get out in transition, get some easy buckets, FT opportunities, and momentum.
The second half - I have no doubt that MSU made adjustments, started taking better care of the ball, and tightened the screws on defense, which cut off our inside game and transition opportunities.. Hence the tougher shots we were taking too, but yeah, it seemed like Iowa stopped executing on offense. You've got to be able to counter that with some in-game adjustments of your own.
WHAT those adjustments need to be - if I had all those answers, I suppose I would be coaching basketball somewhere instead of sitting in a cubicle 5 days per week, but I'm sure MSU did some things to counter what we were doing in the first half and Iowa had no answer.
ArvadaHawk
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Probably not a lot since we weren't even good enough to get a lead most of the time.
tm3308
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I don't know, but 16 of them have come since the start of the 2012-13 season, including each of the last four games against MSU.
It was absolutely depressing going back and counting and realizing just how close we've been so many times.
ArvadaHawk
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Yeah, I asked how many the first 2 years because year 3 is when we started to play better and had most of the current team (minus RDM, ZM and MB.) 16 leads lost after halftime is a very large amount.
tm3308
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Well, 9 or 10, since I can't remember if that 25 leads lost includes Thursday night or not.
I'm a big supporter of Fran, but you cannot see a stat like this and not blame the coach. He clearly struggles to make adjustments in the 2nd half. This stat alone explains why we have been an nit or fringe NCAA team the past few years. We have to get over this if we want to take this program to better places
WinOneThisCentury
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I wish somehow we could change the rules to allow Fran to shoot the ball for his players. That certainly would have helped this year. What is our shooting percentage in the second half of games this year? Hard to blame the coach when his team can't throw a ball in the ocean let alone a basketball hoop. ISU, well, the effort wasn't there, but this team has played hard this year on defense...they just don't shoot it well period.
The lack of a go-to player who can get his own shot and is a true gamer (Pettiway, Trice, Valentine, Kaminsky, Jackson, etc.) is a killer for this team. We don't have that player that is gifted at the offensive end yet...Marble was last year, but our front line wasn't good enough last year.
The lack of a go-to player who can get his own shot and is a true gamer (Pettiway, Trice, Valentine, Kaminsky, Jackson, etc.) is a killer for this team. We don't have that player that is gifted at the offensive end yet...Marble was last year, but our front line wasn't good enough last year.
I just think it's a case of our players are too easily psyched out. They have a couple bad shooting nights, suddenly the whole team can't make wide open shots. They blow a couple games late, suddenly they can't close any games out. They come out sluggish to start a couple second halfs, suddenly they are getting killed at the beginning of every half.
I think it's definitely a possibility that Fran might be doing something that makes the team so fragile. But I just don't see how a coach could be so good at getting his team ready for the start of a game, yet so bad at getting his team ready for the start of the 2nd half.
