refs swallowing whistle at end of games

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PCHawk

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It drives me nuts that refs just pack at the end of games and "let the players decide the game". In basketball you don't always bring your A game, and when you don't, players need to step up at the end and make a play.

Basabe did that. He got position, got the rebound, and went up strong. The shot didn't fall because he was drilled on the back of the arm from behind. Sometimes you have to play through contact and make the shot anyway. But when you get hit from behind on the arm as you're shooting, you're not going to make it.

Basabe has 2 free throws to make 1 for the win if the refs didn't decide to become spectators. Not only do they not call the foul, but they let the obvious goaltend go too.

Same thing in overtime. Gesell gets hammered and flies 10 feet out of bounds but the refs once again swallow the whistle. That one didn't bother be as much cause Gesell wasn't making both and even if he did, we would still have to win in double OT.

If any one of the refs call that blatant goaltend we are all on here raving about how the hawks finally made it happen in a close game. After last nights games we would be tied for 2nd with a 2 game lead on Wisconsin and 2 games back on Michigan. It's amazing how much 2 blown calls on 1 play can change things.
 
PCHawk said:
It drives me nuts that refs just pack at the end of games and "let the players decide the game". In basketball you don't always bring your A game, and when you don't, players need to step up at the end and make a play.

Basabe did that. He got position, got the rebound, and went up strong. The shot didn't fall because he was drilled on the back of the arm from behind. Sometimes you have to play through contact and make the shot anyway. But when you get hit from behind on the arm as you're shooting, you're not going to make it.

Basabe has 2 free throws to make 1 for the win if the refs didn't decide to become spectators. Not only do they not call the foul, but they let the obvious goaltend go too.

Same thing in overtime. Gesell gets hammered and flies 10 feet out of bounds but the refs once again swallow the whistle. That one didn't bother be as much cause Gesell wasn't making both and even if he did, we would still have to win in double OT.

If any one of the refs call that blatant goaltend we are all on here raving about how the hawks finally made it happen in a close game. After last nights games we would be tied for 2nd with a 2 game lead on Wisconsin and 2 games back on Michigan. It's amazing how much 2 blown calls on 1 play can change things.
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Should have never come down to the last shot either time.

If you go 15 minutes without a FG and miss 13 FT's you don't deserve to win the game.
 
hoffahawk said:
Should have never come down to the last shot either time.

If you go 15 minutes without a FG and miss 13 FT's you don't deserve to win the game.
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You deserve to win the game if you have more points than the other team regardless of scoring droughts and missed free throws.
 
It happens in every sport, unfortunately, perhaps with tacit approval from the leagues in which they officiate to avoid another Jim Bain incident. Contrary to what you may believe, referees do not want to decide games. It can be argued their calls during the contest contributed to the outcome, and that certainly can be the case. But it's a brave -- and unique (some would say crazy) -- official who makes a potentially game-deciding call as time runs out.

Iowa coach gets Big Ten reprimand for outburst at refs following Purdue loss
 
PCHawk said:
It drives me nuts that refs just pack at the end of games and "let the players decide the game". In basketball you don't always bring your A game, and when you don't, players need to step up at the end and make a play.

Basabe did that. He got position, got the rebound, and went up strong. The shot didn't fall because he was drilled on the back of the arm from behind. Sometimes you have to play through contact and make the shot anyway. But when you get hit from behind on the arm as you're shooting, you're not going to make it.

Basabe has 2 free throws to make 1 for the win if the refs didn't decide to become spectators. Not only do they not call the foul, but they let the obvious goaltend go too.

Same thing in overtime. Gesell gets hammered and flies 10 feet out of bounds but the refs once again swallow the whistle. That one didn't bother be as much cause Gesell wasn't making both and even if he did, we would still have to win in double OT.

If any one of the refs call that blatant goaltend we are all on here raving about how the hawks finally made it happen in a close game. After last nights games we would be tied for 2nd with a 2 game lead on Wisconsin and 2 games back on Michigan. It's amazing how much 2 blown calls on 1 play can change things.
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Unfortunately the moral of the story is make plays earlier in the game so you do not leave it up the officials at the end. If you are not a blue blood program the chances of calls going in your favor at the end are not good
 
hoffahawk said:
Should have never come down to the last shot either time.

If you go 15 minutes without a FG and miss 13 FT's you don't deserve to win the game.
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MSU didn't deserve to win the game because they held us without a field goal for that long and still couldn't pull away. Their play allowed the game to be tied at the end. Their player didn't box Basabe out. Their player fouled him on the shot. Their player put his hand in the net. They deserved to lose.
 
I don't mind the no calls at the end of regulation and overtime. It sucks, but I say let them play in that position as usually they let both teams play and its consistent. What I take issue with is players going up soft in the paint late in a game. Woody did it on the lay up he was fouled on (missed the two free throws) and McCabe got his pump fake swatted.

People get tired of hearing it, but thats a ball that needs to be dunked with authority or at least go up strong with some muscle expecting to be fouled or contested. We didn't and it cost us two empty possessions and zero points when we really needed them.
 
kicker22 said:
I don't mind the no calls at the end of regulation and overtime. It sucks, but I say let them play in that position as usually they let both teams play and its consistent. What I take issue with is players going up soft in the paint late in a game. Woody did it on the lay up he was fouled on (missed the two free throws) and McCabe got his pump fake swatted.

People get tired of hearing it, but thats a ball that needs to be dunked with authority or at least go up strong with some muscle expecting to be fouled or contested. We didn't and it cost us two empty possessions and zero points when we really needed them.
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If Valentine would have tipped the ball out when he reached up trough the net would you have still liked the no call? The rule is there for a reason call the infraction.
 
kicker22 said:
I don't mind the no calls at the end of regulation and overtime. It sucks, but I say let them play in that position as usually they let both teams play and its consistent. What I take issue with is players going up soft in the paint late in a game. Woody did it on the lay up he was fouled on (missed the two free throws) and McCabe got his pump fake swatted.

People get tired of hearing it, but thats a ball that needs to be dunked with authority or at least go up strong with some muscle expecting to be fouled or contested. We didn't and it cost us two empty possessions and zero points when we really needed them.
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Woody doesn't not dunk the ball because he takes it up weak. He doesn't dunk the ball because he can't jump. And when you get pushed from behind there isn't much you can do.
 
PCHawk said:
Woody doesn't not dunk the ball because he takes it up weak. He doesn't dunk the ball because he can't jump. And when you get pushed from behind there isn't much you can do.
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I'm sorry but I don't accept the excuse that a 7 footer doesn't have the hops to not dunk. I'm sorry but I think its nothing more than an excuse. The hoop is only 10 ft. that means at 7 foot tall your looking at having to get a little over 3 1/2 feet from the top of your head to get the ball into the hoop. I'd be willing to bet that at his height he can probably touch the rim, or get very close to it, flat footed. Sorry but I don't buy it.
 
PCHawk said:
If Valentine would have tipped the ball out when he reached up trough the net would you have still liked the no call? The rule is there for a reason call the infraction.
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I'm talking about the contact not the goaltend. Contact I would not call unless its absolutely blatant with the game on the line. The goal tend I would call if its obvious, but I didn't see the goal tend which is why I wasn't responding to it but focusing on the contact/foul/no foul comment.
 
kicker22 said:
I'm sorry but I don't accept the excuse that a 7 footer doesn't have the hops to not dunk. I'm sorry but I think its nothing more than an excuse. The hoop is only 10 ft. that means at 7 foot tall your looking at having to get a little over 3 1/2 feet from the top of your head to get the ball into the hoop. I'd be willing to bet that at his height he can probably touch the rim, or get very close to it, flat footed. Sorry but I don't buy it.
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I doubt there is a player in the history of basketball who could dunk and chose not to. Do you think he "chose" to get stuffed by the rim a few games ago?
 
I wonder if the players all would have made a big deal of it if it would have forced the refs to call it. It seems like a goaltending call is something the refs could get together for and make the call after they convene. Does anyone know if that's the case?
 
PCHawk said:
I doubt there is a player in the history of basketball who could dunk and chose not to. Do you think he "chose" to get stuffed by the rim a few games ago?
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I'm not saying its a choice. All I'm saying is that I don't buy the argument that a seven footer cannot throw it down. I simply don't buy the fact that "he cannot dunk", I think its more of a confidence/mentality that he's accepted going up through the ranks that as tall as he is lay ups will not be contested so it's safe. I'm not saying dunking is everything, but at 7 feet tall, I sure as hell would make sure it's part of my offensive arsenal.

I seriously doubt that any 7 footer could be athletic enough to play division 1 ball but not be able to dunk.
 
PCHawk said:
MSU didn't deserve to win the game because they held us without a field goal for that long and still couldn't pull away. Their play allowed the game to be tied at the end. Their player didn't box Basabe out. Their player fouled him on the shot. Their player put his hand in the net. They deserved to lose.
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Iowa deserved to lose by going 15 minutes without a basket.
 
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