Recruiting coordinators?

[gohawks71]

I'm interested in hearing what everyone else thinks on this. From what I have heard recently is the some programs are creating an entire team of recruiting coordinators and there in lies my question. Is there a requirement of how many coaches a program can have or anything around the number of recruiters they can have? If not, what is stopping us from creating a team of these guys ourselves to get a leg up on our competition. Just a dream but if lets say KF were to get his salary cut by a million we could take on an additional 5+ recruiters to the staff. No matter how we get the money really, I see only an upside to this.

 

[NCHawker]

good question.


We should all see ourselves and recruiting coordinators. why just the other day I gave a kid a $100 and said go hawks.

 

[dmackindm]

good question.


We should all see ourselves and recruiting coordinators. why just the other day I gave a kid a $100 and said go hawks.

Thank You . You are a Scholar and and a Gentleman and your generosity is only exceeded by your good posts.

 

[MeatMan]

what a joke by the NCAA to pretend to get all serious about cleaning up recruiting, and then going and allowing (potentially) unlimited calls or texts or emails). this would only just escalate that problem. i have only personally known one kid to get recruited at the high major level (so i don't know if this is how it always is) but he told me he got calls and texts constantly, and from all over. that would get really annoying, really fast.

 

[FreedComanche]

I'm interested in hearing what everyone else thinks on this. From what I have heard recently is the some programs are creating an entire team of recruiting coordinators and there in lies my question. Is there a requirement of how many coaches a program can have or anything around the number of recruiters they can have? If not, what is stopping us from creating a team of these guys ourselves to get a leg up on our competition. Just a dream but if lets say KF were to get his salary cut by a million we could take on an additional 5+ recruiters to the staff. No matter how we get the money really, I see only an upside to this.

I don't know the answers to your questions, but you present a very good premise on which to build.

From the college football experts that I read, almost of them will say that to win in big time college football the on field talent is at least 70% of the picture with coaching making up the other 30%. In short, you don't have good talent you don't win.

With that in mind, I don't understand why coaches don't get asst. coaches based on their recruiting ability alone. Who cares if you have a bad position coach if he brings in talent? From the 70/30 pie chart, he could be the best position coach but still be horrible if that talent is not there.

Anybody know any good, current examples of head coaches doing what they can to recruit well and are successful at it? Don't give me any SEC schools cause they almost don't have to recruit. I would think Oregon would be the latest case. Snyder did this at K-State, but that's been over 20 years back. You could also make a case that ferentz did this when he first came to Iowa City.

FreedComanche

 

[DP5555]

I don't know the answers to your questions, but you present a very good premise on which to build.

From the college football experts that I read, almost of them will say that to win in big time college football the on field talent is at least 70% of the picture with coaching making up the other 30%. In short, you don't have good talent you don't win.

With that in mind, I don't understand why coaches don't get asst. coaches based on their recruiting ability alone. Who cares if you have a bad position coach if he brings in talent? From the 70/30 pie chart, he could be the best position coach but still be horrible if that talent is not there.

Anybody know any good, current examples of head coaches doing what they can to recruit well and are successful at it? Don't give me any SEC schools cause they almost don't have to recruit. I would think Oregon would be the latest case. Snyder did this at K-State, but that's been over 20 years back. You could also make a case that ferentz did this when he first came to Iowa City.

FreedComanche

I agree with most of what you are saying. However, you made a comment that SEC schools don't have to recruit... that couldn't be further from the truth. Do they have recruiting advantages? Without a doubt. But kids aren't just going to go to their school if they aren't showing them interest (which is what recruiting is). There are so many big time schools in that region that the recruiting is as intense as it gets... hence the shady tactics that are involved. Can't count how many of their committments have flip-flopped right before signing day. A book bag full of dolla bills can do a lot to pursuade a young man.

 

[treychase]

I'm FOR these new rules. The ncaa was incapable of policing it anyway.

The funniest part of it is that the B1G initially voted FOR it also. L O L at the B1G "leadership".

 

[FreedComanche]

I agree with most of what you are saying. However, you made a comment that SEC schools don't have to recruit... that couldn't be further from the truth. Do they have recruiting advantages? Without a doubt. But kids aren't just going to go to their school if they aren't showing them interest (which is what recruiting is). There are so many big time schools in that region that the recruiting is as intense as it gets... hence the shady tactics that are involved. Can't count how many of their committments have flip-flopped right before signing day. A book bag full of dolla bills can do a lot to pursuade a young man.

Right, I should have been more precise when talking of the SEC. As I see things, I don't believe Iowa or most of the big 10 can compete with the SEC for players.

What I mean is that it's more feasable for any SEC team to be good compared to those teams I mentioned like K-State or Orgeon. It's more of a triumph for a non-sec team to have a year in year out top 10 record.

FreedComanche

 

[ohhawk]

* The power programs will be aided as they have the $$ to bring on more resources to the staff if these proposals go through.

* SEC does need to recruit...... but primarily among themselves

* Only on field coaches can recruit off campus

* There have been and are many head coaches known for their recruiting skills but more important is that they recognize the importance of this trait and bring in a few assts that are skilled recruiters. The head coach can only give so much time to recruiting so I think more of the impact is at the assts position.

* As much as I believe in the importance of recruiting you can't simply go out and find pure recruiters that have little skill at coaching / developing players and expect success.

* The NCAA reminds me of our Homeland Security.......if you can't enforce it effectively then loosen it up.

* Best short term recruiting tool for Iowa is to start winning .......need to show a sharp turn in the trend line for the next few years.

* Recruiting is still a relationship business regardless of how many letters / texts / phone calls are initiated by a school. Still have to have the people skills on your staff to build those relationships. The jury is out on whether Ferentz has improved the program's recruiting skills with his recent hires.

 

[LASBUR]

You cant just hire as many people as you want. The way the SEC does it is with coaches called boosters with deep pockets. Im just speculating ofcourse

 

[treychase]

* The power programs will be aided as they have the $$ to bring on more resources to the staff if these proposals go through.

* SEC does need to recruit...... but primarily among themselves

* Only on field coaches can recruit off campus

* There have been and are many head coaches known for their recruiting skills but more important is that they recognize the importance of this trait and bring in a few assts that are skilled recruiters. The head coach can only give so much time to recruiting so I think more of the impact is at the assts position.

* As much as I believe in the importance of recruiting you can't simply go out and find pure recruiters that have little skill at coaching / developing players and expect success.

* The NCAA reminds me of our Homeland Security.......if you can't enforce it effectively then loosen it up.

* Best short term recruiting tool for Iowa is to start winning .......need to show a sharp turn in the trend line for the next few years.

* Recruiting is still a relationship business regardless of how many letters / texts / phone calls are initiated by a school. Still have to have the people skills on your staff to build those relationships. The jury is out on whether Ferentz has improved the program's recruiting skills with his recent hires.

I don't believe you will need to be an "on field" coach to recruit off campus any longer.
Another victory for the S E C.

 

[treychase]

You cant just hire as many people as you want. The way the SEC does it is with coaches called boosters with deep pockets. Im just speculating ofcourse

Actually, that's EXACTLY what they're doing. They're hiring tons of people & they'll all be able to recruit, make phone calls, send mail, text, etc...
Iowa, meanwhile, is voluntarily NOT recruiting the 2 most talent rich states on the planet.

Iowa is playing intramurals, folks. They made the decision that athletics just aren't important to their mission as a university. Just ask Sally Mason, she'll tell you as much.

 

[FreedComanche]

Actually, that's EXACTLY what they're doing. They're hiring tons of people & they'll all be able to recruit, make phone calls, send mail, text, etc...
Iowa, meanwhile, is voluntarily NOT recruiting the 2 most talent rich states on the planet.

Iowa is playing intramurals, folks. They made the decision that athletics just aren't important to their mission as a university. Just ask Sally Mason, she'll tell you as much.

I know................and it sucks. Sally Mason? just puked.

FreedComanche

 

[LASBUR]

Hey Trey how you been. You are talking about the new rules arnt you ? I agree with you about Sally M. making everything tougher on the atheltic dept. But I dont much agree with her in other areas either. Just think she was a bad hire for the school. It was the school not KF that ran off a very good running back and very good student. I think he went to Stoney Brook.

Actually, that's EXACTLY what they're doing. They're hiring tons of people & they'll all be able to recruit, make phone calls, send mail, text, etc...
Iowa, meanwhile, is voluntarily NOT recruiting the 2 most talent rich states on the planet.

Iowa is playing intramurals, folks. They made the decision that athletics just aren't important to their mission as a university. Just ask Sally Mason, she'll tell you as much.

 

[ohhawk]

I don't believe you will need to be an "on field" coach to recruit off campus any longer.
Another victory for the S E C.

Well let's hope as some in the BIG indicated recently that some of these proposed changes seem to be slowing down. If not, might as well form the Super Conference now and let the rest of us go back to college football as we used to know it.

 

[IowaFan81]

Actually, that's EXACTLY what they're doing. They're hiring tons of people & they'll all be able to recruit, make phone calls, send mail, text, etc...
Iowa, meanwhile, is voluntarily NOT recruiting the 2 most talent rich states on the planet.

Iowa is playing intramurals, folks. They made the decision that athletics just aren't important to their mission as a university. Just ask Sally Mason, she'll tell you as much.

Are you taking Johnson's word or Ferentz's word on this (done recruiting Florida)?

 

[treychase]

Well let's hope as some in the BIG indicated recently that some of these proposed changes seem to be slowing down. If not, might as well form the Super Conference now and let the rest of us go back to college football as we used to know it.

They need 70 votes to overturn.
Zero chance that happens.

And I do think its likely the B1G opts out of the ncaa within the next decade & does their own thing. Only play conference games, stuff like that. The SEC will essentially be the new D1(they are already) & everyone else will be 1AA.

 

[1977Hawkeye]

Actually, that's EXACTLY what they're doing. They're hiring tons of people & they'll all be able to recruit, make phone calls, send mail, text, etc...
Iowa, meanwhile, is voluntarily NOT recruiting the 2 most talent rich states on the planet.

Iowa is playing intramurals, folks. They made the decision that athletics just aren't important to their mission as a university. Just ask Sally Mason, she'll tell you as much.

I guess as a University, you're either serious about competing athletically, or you aren't. I'm not too familiar with what NCAA rules say, but if you aren't taking advantage of every opportunity that you're entitled to, whether you think it's "the right way" or not, then in my mind you aren't really serious about competing. If other programs are doing these things, and you choose not to, then you're putting yourself at an even bigger disadvantage. Like it or not, your choices are to either adapt, or perish.

 

[treychase]

I guess as a University, you're either serious about competing athletically, or you aren't. I'm not too familiar with what NCAA rules say, but if you aren't taking advantage of every opportunity that you're entitled to, whether you think it's "the right way" or not, then in my mind you aren't really serious about competing. If other programs are doing these things, and you choose not to, then you're putting yourself at an even bigger disadvantage. Like it or not, your choices are to either adapt, or perish.

This is absolutely correct & said much better than I ever could have. This has been my point on this board for some time. Iowa is just happy to participate and happy to collect the fat check but has no support or inclination by the administration to actually compete and win. It is simply the fact of life at the UI right now & with the clowns that are on the BOR, it isn't probably ever going to change. Iowa will do the minimum required & the results will continue to reflect that. Iowa has one of the worst performing athletic departments in terms of wins in the entire country. It is awful. But we're SELF SUFFICIENT!!!!2221!!!

 

[LASBUR]

I think the super conferences will opt out of the NCAA, 64-80 Schools. But I dont think the BT will leave on their own. I think thats what the whole super conference thing is about. Not sharing the money they create with the small schools. I have said this before the AD depts are going to have to be self supporting the States are broke. I worry that with collage Prez like Sally and the progressive adminastrations will even want the $$ the AD creates

They need 70 votes to overturn.
Zero chance that happens.

And I do think its likely the B1G opts out of the ncaa within the next decade & does their own thing. Only play conference games, stuff like that. The SEC will essentially be the new D1(they are already) & everyone else will be 1AA.