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I had a thought go through my mind when I was watching the Hawks get rolled over on Wisconsin's last drive. Wisconsin and Iowa are very similar programs in recruiting and in the way they like to play. (Ball control, solid D). The biggest issue for me coming away from this game is how they got handled at the line of scrimmage on the majority of critical snaps.

It got me thinking. So I went back through the Ferentz era and plotted the Yards per carry for, against and the difference. I threw out the first 2 years since they are really not representative of the program yet.

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I think this shows a clear line of demarcation at the 2010/2011 time frame. The average difference in YPCF/YPCA was 0.97 2001-2010 and 0.244 since. Also for the years 2001-2010 Iowa's record vs Wisconsin was 6-4, since then its 1-7.

2010 is the year of the fake punt in Kinnick and I always thought that stole our mojo, however, January 2011 was the Rabdo incident.

Are we a softer team now? I am in no way trying to rip on Ferentz, I'm just trying to rationalize what I feel. It seems like we used to be a more physical team.

Sorry to babble just had to share.
 
Hmmm....
It could be Rabdo
But what else changed after 2010?

After effects from AIRBHG ? Were Iowa's RB's truly cursed?

Reese Morgam switches from OL to DL coach?

KOK leaves as the OC ?

Iowa clamps down on players with character issues?

Kirk signs a big 20-year contract?

But I feel like maybe we are missing something.
 
I had a thought go through my mind when I was watching the Hawks get rolled over on Wisconsin's last drive. Wisconsin and Iowa are very similar programs in recruiting and in the way they like to play. (Ball control, solid D). The biggest issue for me coming away from this game is how they got handled at the line of scrimmage on the majority of critical snaps.

It got me thinking. So I went back through the Ferentz era and plotted the Yards per carry for, against and the difference. I threw out the first 2 years since they are really not representative of the program yet.

View attachment 5977

I think this shows a clear line of demarcation at the 2010/2011 time frame. The average difference in YPCF/YPCA was 0.97 2001-2010 and 0.244 since. Also for the years 2001-2010 Iowa's record vs Wisconsin was 6-4, since then its 1-7.

2010 is the year of the fake punt in Kinnick and I always thought that stole our mojo, however, January 2011 was the Rabdo incident.

Are we a softer team now? I am in no way trying to rip on Ferentz, I'm just trying to rationalize what I feel. It seems like we used to be a more physical team.

Sorry to babble just had to share.

Question, are your stats based only on Iowa vs Wisky under KF or all KF games?
 
I had a thought go through my mind when I was watching the Hawks get rolled over on Wisconsin's last drive. Wisconsin and Iowa are very similar programs in recruiting and in the way they like to play. (Ball control, solid D). The biggest issue for me coming away from this game is how they got handled at the line of scrimmage on the majority of critical snaps.

It got me thinking. So I went back through the Ferentz era and plotted the Yards per carry for, against and the difference. I threw out the first 2 years since they are really not representative of the program yet.

View attachment 5977

I think this shows a clear line of demarcation at the 2010/2011 time frame. The average difference in YPCF/YPCA was 0.97 2001-2010 and 0.244 since. Also for the years 2001-2010 Iowa's record vs Wisconsin was 6-4, since then its 1-7.

2010 is the year of the fake punt in Kinnick and I always thought that stole our mojo, however, January 2011 was the Rabdo incident.

Are we a softer team now? I am in no way trying to rip on Ferentz, I'm just trying to rationalize what I feel. It seems like we used to be a more physical team.

Sorry to babble just had to share.

Pretty good stuff man.
 
I had a thought go through my mind when I was watching the Hawks get rolled over on Wisconsin's last drive. Wisconsin and Iowa are very similar programs in recruiting and in the way they like to play. (Ball control, solid D). The biggest issue for me coming away from this game is how they got handled at the line of scrimmage on the majority of critical snaps.

It got me thinking. So I went back through the Ferentz era and plotted the Yards per carry for, against and the difference. I threw out the first 2 years since they are really not representative of the program yet.

View attachment 5977

I think this shows a clear line of demarcation at the 2010/2011 time frame. The average difference in YPCF/YPCA was 0.97 2001-2010 and 0.244 since. Also for the years 2001-2010 Iowa's record vs Wisconsin was 6-4, since then its 1-7.

2010 is the year of the fake punt in Kinnick and I always thought that stole our mojo, however, January 2011 was the Rabdo incident.

Are we a softer team now? I am in no way trying to rip on Ferentz, I'm just trying to rationalize what I feel. It seems like we used to be a more physical team.

Sorry to babble just had to share.

Great post, nice research. I am sure it has a lot to do with a lot of things, however, I think the biggest is the change of Reese Morgan from the OL to the DL. I think that guy was gold because everywhere he went the units got better and was obviously had an amazing eye for talent. He was replaced by Brian, and then of course replaced by Polasek, during which we have seen a steady decline in offensive line play. While overall I respect KF for the job he has done and am glad he is our coach, it blows me away how him being an ex-OL coach would let this unit degrade this far, especially as that unit is so important.

I am no expert, but what I know about the zone blocking scheme is that it is intended to be able to account for any defensive front, stunt, blitz, etc. because of course the lineman is blocking an area and not a defender. Ironically because Iowa gets chastized for being boring offensively, one of the biggest reasons to utilize the scheme is to create big plays in the running game, whereas, vs. a power scheme is much more limited because it is easier to track the flow of the ball and really no defender goes unblocked. Conversely in the zone scheme, often times the weak side linebacker or defensive end goes unblocked as the play flows away from them. Personnel wise, the zone scheme is ideal for smaller and more athletic lineman vs. the need for sheer bulk in the power scheme. It makes sense to utilize the scheme, especially for Ferentz as the new head coach at a depleted program, because it was easier for him to convert and bulk up more athletic players than it was to recruit the blue chip lineman that a power scheme needed, and could play them earlier.

With the zone scheme, the theory is there is always going to be a lane, however, it all depends on how the defensive line flows. Also, as a guard and a tackle double a defensive lineman, one of them, usually the guard, releases from that block to go block a linebacker. A tight end that cracks back on a the weak side linebacker and all it needs is a running back to choose the right lane, cut back, and take it to the house. We have all seen it many times. However, on the flip side, the back chooses wrong or a block is missed or a defensive lineman makes a play, it is no gain if not a loss. Its all or nothing with that scheme. So what has happened this decade?

One, it seems like there is a mismatch in development and recruiting for this scheme. It seems as if our lineman have gotten bigger, however, also less mobile. Their lack of quickness, especially in the guards, is apparent because they just can't shed blocks and pick up the linebacker. Therefore the linebackers come free.

Two, where this is so evident is against the better teams. That is what everyone is complaining about right, why we can roll over the scrubs but not be able to do anything against the good teams? Teams have just gotten better, plain and simple. The B1G in the last decade has recruited better as a whole, and against those elite teams (OSU, PSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.) all have players on the defensive line that start right away in their rookie years in the NFL. Because the zone scheme is so dependent on every lineman working together as a unit, just one mismatch can blow the whole thing up, and we have seen that against elite defensive lineman.

Third is the lack of cohesiveness on the offensive line in general, as way too many times one of our guys is blocking no one, while one of our guys is getting doubled, and there is a free rusher. Its one thing to get physically dominated, but totally another to not be prepared. We may not have always had the best offensive lines in the game when Reese was running the ship, but rarely did we see our lineman not work together.

That is why I think they need to fire Polasek, or let him go to another program, or whatever they want to do. He is not prepared to coach the intricacies and details of what our lines need to do. Brian, even though he was an offensive lineman himself, didn't either. I think that is a unit that needs a very experienced coach with a lot of wisdom to run successfully. If you want reference, read about the Patriots and Dante Scarnecchia and how the OL performed while he was in retirement and what happened when he came out of retirement.

Or we just get the checkbook out and get Reese to come back as an assistant coach to oversee both lines.
 
yeah I think you'd be hard pressed to find a hawk fan that has watched a game in the last two years and would make an argument polasek should keep his job. dude was a better oc then offensive line coach. he doesn't fit our system clearly. they need to replace him the second this season is over.
 
Iowa’s built to run the football against the standard 4-3 defense. The same 4-3 D they use to have success against in the early 2000s. Defenses have become much more diverse, Iowa’s offensive scheme has not. Defenses were ahead of the curve. Iowa’s offense is playing catch up
 
Wisci kept their guys and then developed them. Iowa had a ton of gems but also missed and lost a lot of guys. Take a look at Chris White's track record in recruiting and what guys he brought here and how many actually became players. At least Iowa identified it and he gone.
 
yeah I think you'd be hard pressed to find a hawk fan that has watched a game in the last two years and would make an argument polasek should keep his job. dude was a better oc then offensive line coach. he doesn't fit our system clearly. they need to replace him the second this season is over.


yep. I see him (from where I sit) as more of a tough guy yeller than a smart teacher. Any moron can yell at players and act like a tough guy. As I understand it KF likes coaches who teach and teach well. That part is necessary. Maybe Brian hired him and brian is/was big on tough guy bravado. Nothing wrong with toughness but if that's all you got you lose.
 
yep. I see him (from where I sit) as more of a tough guy yeller than a smart teacher. Any moron can yell at players and act like a tough guy. As I understand it KF likes coaches who teach and teach well. That part is necessary. Maybe Brian hired him and brian is/was big on tough guy bravado. Nothing wrong with toughness but if that's all you got you lose.

Polasek knows his shit. He’s a good coach and intense guy that is coaching in the wrong spot. That’s on Ferentz. He’d probably just go to KState with Kleiman, not coach the oline and excel again
 
It is more than likely a combo of things.
Have we had a couple who didn't turn out to be as good as we thought maybe they could of? Probably.
Does most of our offensive coaching staff need to keep pushing themselves by learning? Probably.

They will get if figured out.
Leaders are not leaders because they are better than those around them, it's because they bring up those around them. That's what a coach does.
But they have to get over this whole "we need to execute better" thing. Maybe we do, but that can and probably does go for coaches as well as players.
 
yeah I think you'd be hard pressed to find a hawk fan that has watched a game in the last two years and would make an argument polasek should keep his job. dude was a better oc then offensive line coach. he doesn't fit our system clearly. they need to replace him the second this season is over.
Why should only Polasek be fired? What about Brian? The O line started its decline under Brian, and the offense continues to suck under Brian. They should both be gone, or how about maybe Polasek should have been brought in as the OC since he was a proven coach there, instead of KF promoting Brian with zero experience as an OC, and moving Polasek to a position he wasn't coaching. Makes absolutely no sense at all unless you are KF and BF.
 
I had a thought go through my mind when I was watching the Hawks get rolled over on Wisconsin's last drive. Wisconsin and Iowa are very similar programs in recruiting and in the way they like to play. (Ball control, solid D). The biggest issue for me coming away from this game is how they got handled at the line of scrimmage on the majority of critical snaps.

It got me thinking. So I went back through the Ferentz era and plotted the Yards per carry for, against and the difference. I threw out the first 2 years since they are really not representative of the program yet.

View attachment 5977

I think this shows a clear line of demarcation at the 2010/2011 time frame. The average difference in YPCF/YPCA was 0.97 2001-2010 and 0.244 since. Also for the years 2001-2010 Iowa's record vs Wisconsin was 6-4, since then its 1-7.

2010 is the year of the fake punt in Kinnick and I always thought that stole our mojo, however, January 2011 was the Rabdo incident.

Are we a softer team now? I am in no way trying to rip on Ferentz, I'm just trying to rationalize what I feel. It seems like we used to be a more physical team.

Sorry to babble just had to share.
If you go back and look at the programs under Fry, our offensive line was mostly from Wisconsin. After Barry went to Wisconsin he shut off the pipeline. That's really when Wisconsin ascended to the upper reaches of the Big. Remember Iowa's 21 straight wins in the '80s seems like a lifetime ago.
 
Why should only Polasek be fired? What about Brian? The O line started its decline under Brian, and the offense continues to suck under Brian. They should both be gone, or how about maybe Polasek should have been brought in as the OC since he was a proven coach there, instead of KF promoting Brian with zero experience as an OC, and moving Polasek to a position he wasn't coaching. Makes absolutely no sense at all unless you are KF and BF.

so I don't disagree with your point about putting the two guys where they put them. What happened was, we had just gotten off the big loss to polasek's school, he was going to be swept up by somebody that offseason, we were impressed with him, had an opening, they hired him. Generally speaking this sort of thing happens a lot in coaching, because good coaches are generally good coaches, period, and can do various spots well. now we've seen here at Iowa for instance its obvious guys do some positions better than others so if you can get everybody coaching what they coach best that's the ideal. I remember when polsasek was hired he talked about how different the schemes were, that he was about to try and coach, and he had some look of trepidation on his face in the interview. I remember thinking at the time, that doesn't look very good, like he's worried. I just don't think his style of coaching oline has been a good fit for our system. probably should have went and got a guy running a pro style.
 
That fake punt was nearly a decade ago. Some of these arguments would work in 2014, but now? Was 2015 a blessing and a curse? KF made small adjustments here and there, but was never really forced to hit the reset button.
 
Kirk is certainly right about executing, you have to give him that. But what is just as right is that you will not be able to execute perfectly all the time. Never going to happen for not just us but everyone.
Why should only Polasek be fired? What about Brian? The O line started its decline under Brian, and the offense continues to suck under Brian. They should both be gone, or how about maybe Polasek should have been brought in as the OC since he was a proven coach there, instead of KF promoting Brian with zero experience as an OC, and moving Polasek to a position he wasn't coaching. Makes absolutely no sense at all unless you are KF and BF.

You make a good point. In hindsight I think there were a lot of things that would have been done differently if given another chance. But here we are.

Going forward, while I still think it is on polasek that the offensive line has so many communication breakdowns, what needs to happen first, and this comes from Kirk, is to assess the program and modify the blueprints. Hear me out.

We all know that with the style of defense we play, notably how much emphasis we put on the front four to stop the run, pressure the quarterback and keep him in the pocket that the quality of defensive line play is adversely affected by the number of plays they have to play and the lack of depth. It has always been that way except last year where we had a wealth of defensive lineman. So as complimentary football goes, we want to control the ball on offense, win time of possession, and keep our defense fresh. We know this limits possessions, keeps the score lower which in turn makes the margin for error smaller. All known facts.

So, on offense, one would think it's not ideal to go downfield a lot, like a 75 yard pass play, because even though we scored, we put the defense right back on the field. So to the defense, a 1 or 2 play drive is the same as a 3 and out, except the score is different. In 1 score games, the team who can run the ball in the 4th quarter wins just about every time, and if our defense isn't fresh, we cant stop the run. We have shown that we won't sell out either, even in times of desperation like the psu and wisconsin games, where everyone knew they were running and we needed a stop to get the ball back and we couldn't do it. So it just goes to show how the success of the defense is on the d line, sun, rain or snow.

Saying all that, what does not make sense is the reliance on the zone blocking scheme. Why? First of all, one of the disadvantages to the scheme is that because the offensive lineman are blocking areas instead of players, the same offensive play can be run multiple times but to the defense the plays look different because the blocking is different depending on many variables. This fact inherently makes it much more difficult to run play action, a staple of our offense. To be a power running team you need to be effective in play action, possibly the greatest weapon in football. The second reason it doesn't make sense is that the advantage of the zone scheme over the power scheme is its potential for the big play because of the cutback lanes it creates. With a properly executed blocking play, this often times leaves a running back one on one with a safety as the weak side defensive end is out of the play and the tight end blocks the weak side linebacker. However, a non executed play by anyone involved is often no gain or a loss because of the lanes it creates and the propensity for a lineman linebacker to go unblocked. We have many cases of both descriptions. Thus the zone scheme is much more feast or famine than a power scheme, which is the antithesis to everything we want to do defensively.

So everyone loads the block, fills the cutback lanes with extra backers, daring us to throw downfield with a quarterback who has a cannon for an arm but cant run, and we don't until it is too late. It just doesn't add up, none of it. In any game, if you can't counter their counter, you lose. And that is what we are doing.
 
Hmmm....
It could be Rabdo
But what else changed after 2010?

After effects from AIRBHG ? Were Iowa's RB's truly cursed?

Reese Morgam switches from OL to DL coach?

KOK leaves as the OC ?

Iowa clamps down on players with character issues?

Kirk signs a big 20-year contract?

But I feel like maybe we are missing something.
Gameday still... Paid for 7 WINS=BONUS? Today like last week; AJ explodes off edge. Middle Linebacker back please.Quick Start like last Week. Gets Nate Rockin. All Doables. Go Hawk Players Always Tough. SeasonGameHere.
 

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