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SCHawkeye2
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The KF offense has always been overly conservative, unimaginative and predictable.
But occasionally we have been fortunate to offset a bad scheme with exceptional offensive line performance.
This year is not one of those years. Glaringly obvious lack of talent on the OL combined with the same old schemes results in a OL that cant run block or pass block against any team with a pulse.
But occasionally we have been fortunate to offset a bad scheme with exceptional offensive line performance.
This year is not one of those years. Glaringly obvious lack of talent on the OL combined with the same old schemes results in a OL that cant run block or pass block against any team with a pulse.
trj
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This specific game was about Wisky's 3-4 defense and Iowa's refusal to attack it differently. Overall, big picture, I have no idea if the last 2 weeks was the peak for this o-line. I want to believe there is still growth, but I don't have a clue.
Communication amongst the 5 was terrible, Colby struggled, Plumb absolutely got worked by Herrig, as of now I will isolate this just to the Wisconsin game. Next week, I expect a better performance against Minnesota.
Communication amongst the 5 was terrible, Colby struggled, Plumb absolutely got worked by Herrig, as of now I will isolate this just to the Wisconsin game. Next week, I expect a better performance against Minnesota.
How Iowa won that game is beyond me pretty much. Like put yourself in Wiskys coaches shoes. Like wtf can they do differently? Not getting a punt blocked and having Mertz throw it to us is about all they coulda done differently. But that's on not Wiskys defense. Hell if Iowa didn't give up that inexplicable long TD on 3rd and 18 we woulda won 24-3.
I'm damn near at a loss of how to figure out how the numbers in regards to the stats add up to a score of 24-10 for the good guys. This is nuts how good our D and special teams are. Absolutely nuts.
I'm damn near at a loss of how to figure out how the numbers in regards to the stats add up to a score of 24-10 for the good guys. This is nuts how good our D and special teams are. Absolutely nuts.
Northside Hawk
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It's called Kirkball.
I've referenced it in probably three dozen threads. It's not pleasing to the eye, especially to Hayden enthusiasts,, but it allows you to steal games.
You will occasionally lose winnable games playing that style-just ask Fitzy who's done it to Kirk half a dozen times. But you will win more than you lose. Since 2008 Penn State Kirk has probably won 20-25 games with superior special teams and winning the turnover battle.
I'm generally a fan of Kirkball.
But this offense is lousy.
How much is on the players of Kirk/Brian...I dunno. Ultimately it's on the coaches. Recruit, develop and design an offense with what you got.
A Kirkball offense does not adapt well. It will be binary. Everything stems from the o-line. 0 being incapable or off. And 1, being on, sits on the spectrum that ranges from capable to very good (if they are heavy on talent at QB/RB or o-line).
They're not heavy on anything except a young and developing RB. O-line is not ready or not good enough
When they play a defense that's any better than Purdue's....they never switch to on. It's almost non existent.
And because it's stay-the-course Kirkball...they aren't going to radically adapt.
When it's on 80+% of the time, I'm more than happy with it. This year, 25%? I'm not happy.
SCHawkeye2
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The Iowa defense scored 7.
Iowa defense and special teams gave the offense the ball inside the WI red zone twice.
Our TD drives were 17 and 18 yds.
Our FG was the longest drive at 27 yds, but it took a comical 11 plays to cover 27 yds.
We scored 24 pts with 62 yds of offense because of the incredible field position provided by our outstanding defense and ST.
How would our offense have done on it's own?
Outside of the scoring plays above, Iowa had 12 possessions which totaled 48 net yds of offense, for an average per 4 yds per possession.
I would argue that without our defense and ST heroics, Iowa does not score in the WI game.
Agreed, but the Petra's fumble gave Whisky 3 points and our DB jumping the route before half was the other 7. We could have pitched a shutout
HawkGold
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It is:
Fundamentals
Athleticism
Competitiveness
You can't hide that with an offense that is not:
Unpredictable
Talented
Not sure how some on there don't realize how significant the problem is.
The wins will become harder and harder in the future as talent declines.
KF is a difficult personality. Go back to the days when he started coaching without a contract. Looking back he was playing the system and now controls the system.
The is a guy who stubbornly couldn't see the talents of Stanzi, Banks, CJ and others until he was force.
The same guy that underutilized Fant, Wadley
Always excuses.
SSK is right in saying there is one guy on the line that is really noticeable. Was really noticeable at IL. Almost seems like he doesn't want to help or can't help Petras.
And now the Hawks are in the West driver's seat.
MN and N both can score. Can Iowa?
Including 2017 Iowa has 350 yards Total combined in 3 Wisconsin games. This isn't a 1 year thing.
Fundamentals
Athleticism
Competitiveness
You can't hide that with an offense that is not:
Unpredictable
Talented
Not sure how some on there don't realize how significant the problem is.
The wins will become harder and harder in the future as talent declines.
KF is a difficult personality. Go back to the days when he started coaching without a contract. Looking back he was playing the system and now controls the system.
The is a guy who stubbornly couldn't see the talents of Stanzi, Banks, CJ and others until he was force.
The same guy that underutilized Fant, Wadley
Always excuses.
SSK is right in saying there is one guy on the line that is really noticeable. Was really noticeable at IL. Almost seems like he doesn't want to help or can't help Petras.
And now the Hawks are in the West driver's seat.
MN and N both can score. Can Iowa?
Including 2017 Iowa has 350 yards Total combined in 3 Wisconsin games. This isn't a 1 year thing.
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BILLYBOBSTEXAS
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Isn't the TCU qb a former Hawk?? No chance to play here.
ssckelley
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No but he’s from Council Bluffs. Iowa offered him but I don’t think they were a finalist.
In our current state of affairs, it would not matter.
EXACTLY!! Iowa coulda shoulda shut them out too. That bomb they hit on 3rd and 18 had to have made Parker so so mad. I bet he was fuming. It looked like a coverage bust that Shulte dropped the ball on being late to get over but maybe Moss was supposed to stay with the receiver too IDK.
Yup yup yup to everything you've wrote. And I totally bet Wisky fans would agree with this last sentence. If both teams had just ran the ball 3 times and punted the whole time with no blocks they'd still be playing tied at 0 in OT dang near till it became a FG making contest.
Hawkeyegamefilm said it looked like everyone else was in C3, and either Moss didn't get the memo, or perhaps he just got caught gambling, thinking Mertz was going to the crosser. Impossible to know for sure without knowing the call, of course.
Weird how we tend to make mistakes against Wisconsin that we generally don't make against anyone else. In this case, Wisconsin made even more, so we come out on top. This defense is so much fun to watch, but it has to be a nightmare to play against.
ssckelley
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If you watch the replay there was a receiver left wide open on an underneath route and you can see Moss was confused as to which one to cover and that hesitation allowed the deep route to be wide open. Moss did screw up, he should have never left the deep route but someone else screwed up too since the underneath receiver was not covered at all. Granted it would still have been a 1st down but it likely would have kept them out of the end zone, at least on that particular play.
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Moss looks like he is squatting, thinking it is C2 (or quarter-quarter-half). But the rest of the secondary looks like C3 (Schulte and DeJean are dropping to deep 1/3s).
They were bringing simulated pressure, blitzing Benson but dropping Evans (Evans was supposed to be underneath the crossing route, but he looked a little clunky in space, as you would expect of a DE dropping into coverage).
Iowa has been blitzing a lot more than usual (and pretty effectively) since the 2nd half of the Michigan game. As fans, we often think blitzing is just a 100%, sure thing, solution to all that woes a defense. But it does carry risk as well, which we can see here. Even though they only brought 4 and dropped a DE, in retrospect probably would have been better off playing it straight up here. Oh well, can't win them all, and I trust Parker's decisions to roll the dice above any other D coordinator in the country.
Moss looks like he is squatting, thinking it is C2 (or quarter-quarter-half). But the rest of the secondary looks like C3 (Schulte and DeJean are dropping to deep 1/3s).
They were bringing simulated pressure, blitzing Benson but dropping Evans (Evans was supposed to be underneath the crossing route, but he looked a little clunky in space, as you would expect of a DE dropping into coverage).
Iowa has been blitzing a lot more than usual (and pretty effectively) since the 2nd half of the Michigan game. As fans, we often think blitzing is just a 100%, sure thing, solution to all that woes a defense. But it does carry risk as well, which we can see here. Even though they only brought 4 and dropped a DE, in retrospect probably would have been better off playing it straight up here. Oh well, can't win them all, and I trust Parker's decisions to roll the dice above any other D coordinator in the country.
NorthKCHawk
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No one is going to acknowledge the title of this thread??? We are having "Online Issues?" I thought the site was down again. 
