On National Title Aspirations... long

BSpringsteen

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Having just completed a lengthy discussion with another HN.com poster, I think there is a lot more than having a great team, or even being lucky to winning a national title, or even playing in the game.

I am going to use Ohio State as my example. Every year this decade, Ohio State has been expected to contend for the national title at the START of the season. They played in the championship game 3 times out of 10 years.

Perhaps no team was as dominant during the decade as USC. They played in the game twice in ten years.

These are teams that are in contention year after year.

My point is that in the last ten years, no team came out of nowhere to play in the national title game, and the team that played in the championship is a team that has always started the year with those aspirations

For Iowa, we have a team that is in that discussion twice in that period. 2002 doesn't count as we came out of nowhere. 2006 we pooped in the bed, and now this year the jury is still out. But at Ohio State, from the time a player is a freshman, to the time they are a senior, they are used to starting the year with those expectations, and STILL, the team with the most appearances is only 3 times out of 10.

Last year Iowa came out of nowhere, but this year was the first year they had national title aspirations. That is difficult to manage.

My friend contends that KF will never be considered a great coach until he wins the games that he is supposed to win with the national spotlight on him. It's not enough to go into Happy Valley as an underdog and win that game, you have to host Ohio State as a favorite and win that game with the Big 10 title hanging in the balance. With this, I agree.

Where I disagree though is that looking objectively at who has played for the national title in the past ten years, that we had a realistic shot at it. Teams can come out of nowhere to win their conference, because by the time you realize this team is really good, its November and its too late. The team has the advantage of flying under the radar for 2/3 of the season.

But to play for the national title, you have to live in the spotlight for 12 weeks and win each week.

Which leads me to point 2.

My friend believes that a bowl game is a meaningless game unless it is the national championship game. With this I also agree. It's not that the games aren't fun or that we don't want to win, it's just that you're not really playing for anything.

Which leads me to the final point, of how Iowa can ACTUALLY play for a national title.

Iowa needs to first become a program where 8-4/9-3 is a blip on the radar, rather than the norm. The way to do this is to continue to go play in high profile BCS games that raises the profile of your program and pays huge dividends in recruiting. That is why the Rose Bowl matters. Win the Rose Bowl, and what does our recruiting look like next year? Two straight BCS wins?

Iowa will never play for a national title, so long as they are only in that conversation once every 4-5 years. They need to be in that conversation year in and year out for that to happen.

The bottom line is this. No team has played for the national title has been a team the rebuilds rather than reloads, and even for the teams that reload, they are not playing in that game very often.

Iowa is quietly becoming a program that can reload, but it will take a no less than 4 straight years of this for them to seriously be able to make that kind of magical run.
 


Good post. I also tend to feel that Ferentz needs to change his philosophy on not running up the score. Ferentz's teams need to make a statement when the opportunity is available to them. Style points count in the NT race.
 


Good post. I also tend to feel that Ferentz needs to change his philosophy on not running up the score. Ferentz's teams need to make a statement when the opportunity is available to them. Style points count in the NT race.

Not to mention developing an offense capable of putting on some style points. Offense continues to be our Achilles. We just don't put offenses on the field with great ability to score big.
 
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Nice post. The one point of contention I have is that a long shot does pop up from time to time. The first LSU team to win it wasn't in a national spotlight until mid-season. Before them Virginia Tech played in the NCG coming from basically nowhere with a frosh QB. Heck, Colorado and BYU (BYU!) have won NCs in the past 30 years. It does happen, although it feels like powerball odds.
 


Wow. We win the Orange Bowl and now you see post after post about the "national championship".

Until college football has a playoff system, Iowa's goal every year should be the Big Ten title and a good bowl game. Period.

The national championship game is a farce - it is "mythical" at best and is based on subjective, biased polling. Remember, only two teams get into the game each year. Many deserving teams are left out. Every year. It is simply ridiculous. I'm betting that if Boise State goes 12-0, they are left out. Wouldn't they at least deserve to be in a playoff? It won't happen.

I cannot get serious about "national championship" until a playoff comes to college football.

The reason it is so hard to win the national championship is because no one gets a real chance to prove it on the field except the two teams selected. There must be a playoff. Until then, forget about it.
 


I agree. To reach an elite level requires building on consistent success. I always considered this season as a chance to put another link in that chain. One BCS win and look how this years class is shaping up. We're definitely still in contention for this team to help change the program. I love seeing B-B+ players developed into top competitors but to reach the next level will require the addition of blue chip talent every year. OSU is really the only Big Ten team currently in this position. If current trends were to continue, I think Iowa may approach this level in as little as 5 years. Otherwise, we will cotinue to win the occasional Big Ten title and BCS bowl and I'm OK with that too.
 


I agree. The key is to develop consistent teams that compete for the conference championship and win the championship with some regularity. What people fail to recognize is Iowa has not been first in the Big Ten bowl pecking order in all of KF's years as HC. That has to end to be considered elite.
 


I agree. The key is to develop consistent teams that compete for the conference championship and win the championship with some regularity. What people fail to recognize is Iowa has not been first in the Big Ten bowl pecking order in all of KF's years as HC. That has to end to be considered elite.

CAARHawk-They were in 2002. As I recall tOSU played for the NC, and the Rose Bowl had "last pick." The Orange Bowl Picked the Hawks and USC, the Rose Bowl was left with Washington St. and OK. 2002 was the year that led the Rose Bowl to flex their muscles and say that if the BCS didn't start to attempt to preserve the traditional rivalries, they were out.
 


CAARHawk-They were in 2002. As I recall tOSU played for the NC, and the Rose Bowl had "last pick." The Orange Bowl Picked the Hawks and USC, the Rose Bowl was left with Washington St. and OK. 2002 was the year that led the Rose Bowl to flex their muscles and say that if the BCS didn't start to attempt to preserve the traditional rivalries, they were out.

Um, you do realize that Iowa was still second in the Big Ten pecking order that year, right?
 




Wow. We win the Orange Bowl and now you see post after post about the "national championship".

Until college football has a playoff system, Iowa's goal every year should be the Big Ten title and a good bowl game. Period.

The national championship game is a farce - it is "mythical" at best and is based on subjective, biased polling. Remember, only two teams get into the game each year. Many deserving teams are left out. Every year. It is simply ridiculous. I'm betting that if Boise State goes 12-0, they are left out. Wouldn't they at least deserve to be in a playoff? It won't happen.

I cannot get serious about "national championship" until a playoff comes to college football.

The reason it is so hard to win the national championship is because no one gets a real chance to prove it on the field except the two teams selected. There must be a playoff. Until then, forget about it.

Nailed it.
 


No they weren't. Both schools were 8-0 in conference and didn't have a tie-breaker.

Yes, they were second- in bowl pecking order. even though they both went undefeated, the hawks were second in the bowl pecking order because of the early season ISU loss. Even at the bowl meetings, everyone (at least at the meeting i attended) referred to Iowa as second in the pecking order.
 






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