Oglesby

SixerHawk

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Talked to a close friend of Josh's today. According to Josh if Fran offers a 'ship he'll commit on the spot. Says Hawks have been his number one choice since he was a kid. I'm a little weary on whether Josh would be a good fit in Fran's system having seen him play a couple times at Wash the last few years. It's good to see top Iowa kids have interest in the program though.
 
The Iowa Hawkeyes must own the in-state kids to get back to being a program that has character and integrity. Iowa kids don't normally become the best players on the roster, but are reliable and typically four year players that graduate and provide a solid foundation to build around. In the coming years with Uthoff and all the 2012 kids the Iowa program can become a top teir team by building with Iowa kids. Personally, I am not a big fan of Oglesby, but he is an Iowa kid and he can provide a serious shooting threat from the bench. Unless he is very slow and his ball-handling is very suspect he will fit into the Coach Fran system. The only players that cannot fit into Coach Fran's system are out-of-shape kids. If you can play ball then you can play for Coach Fran.
 
Right now, if Cougill does not return,or Archie is allowed to graduate and move on next year, we have 4 schollys to give. If both happen, we have five.
If that ends up being the case, I would be very pleased with a class like:

Coleman,Oglesby,Uthoff,Katenda,Gibson.
Coleman- athletic quick 2 guard
Olgesby- long good shooting swing guard
Uthoff- long,good shooting small forward
Gibson- tough,strong power forward
Katenda- athletic forward/center...

Pretty much cover everything but pg and true center which we hold open for Paige , Gessel and Woodbury in 2012.
 
The Iowa Hawkeyes must own the in-state kids to get back to being a program that has character and integrity. Iowa kids don't normally become the best players on the roster, but are reliable and typically four year players that graduate and provide a solid foundation to build around. In the coming years with Uthoff and all the 2012 kids the Iowa program can become a top teir team by building with Iowa kids. Personally, I am not a big fan of Oglesby, but he is an Iowa kid and he can provide a serious shooting threat from the bench. Unless he is very slow and his ball-handling is very suspect he will fit into the Coach Fran system. The only players that cannot fit into Coach Fran's system are out-of-shape kids. If you can play ball then you can play for Coach Fran.


^ This post is ridiculous.

Who cares what state the kids we recruit are from. Recruit top level basketball players from all states that will win games, thats the objective.

All this "get Iowa kids, pride, passion, integrity" is complete garbage.

Because if Iowa goes your route and trys to over recruit the state of Iowa, Fran will be out of a job just like Lickliter. I'm all for going hard after the elite Iowa players, but going after Iowa kids because their Iowa kids is completely absurd.

Recruit good basketball players from anywhere, bottom line.
 
The Iowa Hawkeyes must own the in-state kids to get back to being a program that has character and integrity. Iowa kids don't normally become the best players on the roster, but are reliable and typically four year players that graduate and provide a solid foundation to build around. In the coming years with Uthoff and all the 2012 kids the Iowa program can become a top teir team by building with Iowa kids. Personally, I am not a big fan of Oglesby, but he is an Iowa kid and he can provide a serious shooting threat from the bench. Unless he is very slow and his ball-handling is very suspect he will fit into the Coach Fran system. The only players that cannot fit into Coach Fran's system are out-of-shape kids. If you can play ball then you can play for Coach Fran.

I could care less where the kid is from. If FM thinks he is worth of an offer, I hope we land him. But offering an Iowa kid just because he's an Iowa kid is a mistake waiting to happen. I don't want kids getting offered just to win some state recruiting contest. There are going to be some talented Iowa kids who are going to get offers from other schools that probably won't get an offer from Fran, just because of the style of play he is implementing. I think this is something a lot of Iowa fans are going to have to prepare themselves for.
 
^ This post is ridiculous.

Who cares what state the kids we recruit are from. Recruit top level basketball players from all states that will win games, thats the objective.

All this "get Iowa kids, pride, passion, integrity" is complete garbage.

Because if Iowa goes your route and trys to over recruit the state of Iowa, Fran will be out of a job just like Lickliter. I'm all for going hard after the elite Iowa players, but going after Iowa kids because their Iowa kids is completely absurd.

Recruit good basketball players from anywhere, bottom line.

Why be such a pompous ***? I'd hardly describe his post as ridiculous, he makes a good point.

Nobody suggests loading the roster with Iowa kids only, just because they're from Iowa. Of course we need top talent to win and rebuild the program, no matter where they prep.

But winning while getting top talent from from Iowa, kids that other schools covet as well (think Hinrich, LaFrentz, etc) would make the program even more popular.

Winning and making some noise in the Big Ten and NCAA tourney will make Iowa basketball big again. Doing it with a few Iowa kids in gold and black will make it beloved.
 
^ This post is ridiculous.

Who cares what state the kids we recruit are from. Recruit top level basketball players from all states that will win games, thats the objective.

All this "get Iowa kids, pride, passion, integrity" is complete garbage.

Because if Iowa goes your route and trys to over recruit the state of Iowa, Fran will be out of a job just like Lickliter. I'm all for going hard after the elite Iowa players, but going after Iowa kids because their Iowa kids is completely absurd.

Recruit good basketball players from anywhere, bottom line.

I agree get players who can play regardless of location however Iowa players haven't been too bad lately. The four players that Lickliter recruited were Gatens, May, Cougill, and McCabe. I like three of those and Oglesby is getting more attention than May and McCabe were. I think we should only take 1 sg in this class (Coleman) but if that doesn't work I would welcome Oglesby with open arms.
 
Why be such a pompous ***? I'd hardly describe his post as ridiculous, he makes a good point.

Nobody suggests loading the roster with Iowa kids only, just because they're from Iowa. Of course we need top talent to win and rebuild the program, no matter where they prep.

But winning while getting top talent from from Iowa, kids that other schools covet as well (think Hinrich, LaFrentz, etc) would make the program even more popular.

Winning and making some noise in the Big Ten and NCAA tourney will make Iowa basketball big again. Doing it with a few Iowa kids in gold and black will make it beloved.

He could of stopped after the first sentence.

The "Iowa kids are reliable and here for four years" stuff is complete garbage.

Also he says he's not a fan of Oglesby, BUT he's an Iowa kid. Like that means something?

I completely agree with getting the elite players from in state, but the idea of needing to load up with Iowa kids because their from Iowa is terrible.

Being a pompous arse doesn't bother me either.
 
I agree get players who can play regardless of location however Iowa players haven't been too bad lately. The four players that Lickliter recruited were Gatens, May, Cougill, and McCabe. I like three of those and Oglesby is getting more attention than May and McCabe were. I think we should only take 1 sg in this class (Coleman) but if that doesn't work I would welcome Oglesby with open arms.

Agreed with the exception of Cougill, who had mostly mid major offers outside of Iowa.

Recruit kids from Iowa who other major programs are after. (Paige,McCabe,Barnes,Uthoff,Staten,Woodbury)
 
^ This post is ridiculous.

Who cares what state the kids we recruit are from. Recruit top level basketball players from all states that will win games, thats the objective.

All this "get Iowa kids, pride, passion, integrity" is complete garbage.

Because if Iowa goes your route and trys to over recruit the state of Iowa, Fran will be out of a job just like Lickliter. I'm all for going hard after the elite Iowa players, but going after Iowa kids because their Iowa kids is completely absurd.

Recruit good basketball players from anywhere, bottom line.

When was the last time an Iowa player was the best player on the Roster? Ricky Davis? Settles? When in recent years especially? Gatens is probably one of the few.

The fact is Iowa must get the best players out of the state, however, they don't need to reach and get players that can't play in the Big Ten. Oglesby is one of the top players in the state and he has multiple offers to Big Ten schools, regardless of what I think of him, if he can play ball then he can play for Coach Fran and I will root for him just as I do for any player on their roster.

The last time I checked, having a solid foundation to build from is what would allow a program to become good and win games. The roster turnover that we have seen is cycle that must be broken.

What is wrong with passion and integrity? If a person is passionate about something, especially helping rebuild a program or being part of that it is for the better.
The 2012 kids breaks that mold right now, they are flat out good and if Iowa owns the in-state recruiting that year they will have one of the top classes in the nation, period.
Uthoff and Oglesby are important for the 2012 class, believe it or not. One of the selling points with Coach Fran is to get back to keeping the best players home is exactly what Uthoff and Oglesby are, the best players in the state.

What got Lickliter in trouble was he never built a program, he walked into a good situation at Butler and it took him too long to figure out how to recruit at Iowa and it cost him his job and a few players.

Get upset at what I originally posted, that is fine, but the facts are the Iowa kids don't traditionally become the top players in the program, but there are always exceptions. Do you think Wade Lookingbill or Troy Skinner were top players in Iowa's history? I hope that answer is no, but... Not every player recruited is going to go down as one of the best in the program, but players are recruited for specific roles and sometimes they become good or great players.
If Iowa goes my route, they will be better off in the end. Keep in mind, if the in-state players stay all four years, or at least three, Iowa would only have to recruit one or two in-state players every two or three years, so where do you get that they would have to "over recruit?" The last thing to do is believe that the in-state talent is better than it actually is, but when a very good player comes along like LaFrentz, Hinrich or Barnes Iowa puts a ton of emphasis to get them.

The fact is this, if Iowa recruited Illinois, Michigan and Iowa consistently since Tom Davis left, the program would not have been in the situation it is today. Trying to get kids from states like Indiana, Minnesota and California hasn't worked for Iowa lately. There are some other states that have potential now because the current staff knows the areas: The Northeast, the Carolinas and now Texas.
 
He could of stopped after the first sentence.

The "Iowa kids are reliable and here for four years" stuff is complete garbage.

Also he says he's not a fan of Oglesby, BUT he's an Iowa kid. Like that means something?

I completely agree with getting the elite players from in state, but the idea of needing to load up with Iowa kids because their from Iowa is terrible.

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Point taken "89". I just tire of posts that begin with "you're an idiot" simply because there's a difference of opinion.

McCaffrey doesn't strike me as a "lazy" recruiter. The guy outworked Lick in his first 90 days. So I trust him to find the best players for his team...wherever they come from. It is a shame though, when we lose talented players from our own back yard. I do think there's some value in locking up the guys in your own state, IF..they're top talent.

High school football coaches will tell you that Hayden Fry not only changed the Hawks, but he elevated high school football around the state. So there is a certain trickle-down effect. If IOWA basketball becomes big again, the more we're connected to the Iowa prep scene the better. It sure makes recruiting easier if you get one kid per class, or something like that, locally that helps the program.

It may not be comparable, but Mich St is a good example, Minnesota did it when they were good, Wiscy, Illinois, Indiana, etc all mixed the best local guys along with out-state recruits. Iowa may not be as rich in players without a Chicago or Detroit, but the next few years offer some legit talent.

I think there's a real benefit to the "new" face of Iowa Basketball including some of that talent.
 
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When was the last time an Iowa player was the best player on the Roster? Ricky Davis? Settles? When in recent years especially? Gatens is probably one of the few.

The fact is Iowa must get the best players out of the state, however, they don't need to reach and get players that can't play in the Big Ten. Oglesby is one of the top players in the state and he has multiple offers to Big Ten schools, regardless of what I think of him, if he can play ball then he can play for Coach Fran and I will root for him just as I do for any player on their roster.

The last time I checked, having a solid foundation to build from is what would allow a program to become good and win games. The roster turnover that we have seen is cycle that must be broken.

What is wrong with passion and integrity? If a person is passionate about something, especially helping rebuild a program or being part of that it is for the better.
The 2012 kids breaks that mold right now, they are flat out good and if Iowa owns the in-state recruiting that year they will have one of the top classes in the nation, period.
Uthoff and Oglesby are important for the 2012 class, believe it or not. One of the selling points with Coach Fran is to get back to keeping the best players home is exactly what Uthoff and Oglesby are, the best players in the state.

What got Lickliter in trouble was he never built a program, he walked into a good situation at Butler and it took him too long to figure out how to recruit at Iowa and it cost him his job and a few players.

Get upset at what I originally posted, that is fine, but the facts are the Iowa kids don't traditionally become the top players in the program, but there are always exceptions. Do you think Wade Lookingbill or Troy Skinner were top players in Iowa's history? I hope that answer is no, but... Not every player recruited is going to go down as one of the best in the program, but players are recruited for specific roles and sometimes they become good or great players.
If Iowa goes my route, they will be better off in the end. Keep in mind, if the in-state players stay all four years, or at least three, Iowa would only have to recruit one or two in-state players every two or three years, so where do you get that they would have to "over recruit?" The last thing to do is believe that the in-state talent is better than it actually is, but when a very good player comes along like LaFrentz, Hinrich or Barnes Iowa puts a ton of emphasis to get them.

The fact is this, if Iowa recruited Illinois, Michigan and Iowa consistently since Tom Davis left, the program would not have been in the situation it is today. Trying to get kids from states like Indiana, Minnesota and California hasn't worked for Iowa lately. There are some other states that have potential now because the current staff knows the areas: The Northeast, the Carolinas and now Texas.


I think you didn't read my post very carefully.

I'm in complete agreement with your thoughts on the 2012 class.

The part I didn't care for was claiming that we NEED to get players from Iowa because they're from Iowa. Which has nothing to do with being good at basketball.

My point being, get good players from anywhere, regardless of what state they're from.

If there are elite players in state, by all means, I hope we get them.

And for the record, I would consider Oglesby an elite player, it will just come down to how he fits Frans system.
 
He could of stopped after the first sentence.

The "Iowa kids are reliable and here for four years" stuff is complete garbage.

Also he says he's not a fan of Oglesby, BUT he's an Iowa kid. Like that means something?

I completely agree with getting the elite players from in state, but the idea of needing to load up with Iowa kids because their from Iowa is terrible.

Being a pompous arse doesn't bother me either.

You realize this is a MESSAGE BOARD, people will not always agree with you. No need to call his post ridiculous.
 
I think you didn't read my post very carefully.

I'm in complete agreement with your thoughts on the 2012 class.

The part I didn't care for was claiming that we NEED to get players from Iowa because they're from Iowa. Which has nothing to do with being good at basketball.

My point being, get good players from anywhere, regardless of what state they're from.

If there are elite players in state, by all means, I hope we get them.

And for the record, I would consider Oglesby an elite player, it will just come down to how he fits Frans system.

Please tell me where it was stated that we need players from Iowa because they are from Iowa. Iowa flat out needs players and if they are the best players in Iowa that are worth recruiting, they are more important to me. How can you go out and expect to recruit top or elite players around the country if you can't recruit the best players in your own backyard. I think you need to read again.
Oglesby is not an elite player, but he is a player that can fit into any system, I have yet to find a player that shoots as well as he can not fit into any system. Oglesby is one of the two best players in-state and he becomes a "must" kid to me because of the caliber of player he is and he is from Iowa. Iowa doesn't need kids from Iowa for the sake of them being from Iowa, they need players, not one time did I say that they need to go after kids simply because they are from Iowa. Iowa needs to own the in-state recruiting when there are quality players available, no matter what year.
 
You realize this is a MESSAGE BOARD, people will not always agree with you. No need to call his post ridiculous.



They don't have to agree with me, but I think its perfectly fine to question others opinions.

That post was ridiculous, especially after the first sentence, should of stopped there.
 
Iowa program can become a top teir team by building with Iowa kids. Personally, I am not a big fan of Oglesby, but he is an Iowa kid .


This pretty much sums it up.

"Iowa program, Iowa kids, blah blah blah"

You even suggest that because they're from Iowa means that they display better integrity. Come on now...
 
Could somebody (besides lazy me) compile a list of starters from Iowa? Like...
2009-10 (10-22, 4-14): Gatens (30), Cougill (7), May (21)
2008-09 (15-17, 5-13 Big Ten/10th): Gatens
2007-08 (13-19, 6-12 Big Ten/8th): none
2006-07 (17-14, 9-7 Big Ten/T4th): Haluska
2005-06 (25-9, 11-5 Big Ten/T2nd): Haluska, Horner, Brunner
2004-2005 (21-12, 7-9 Big Ten/7th): Haluska, Horner, Brunner
...
1984-85 (21-11, Big Ten 10-8/5th): Berkenpas
...
1982-83 (22-9, 10-8 Big Ten/T2nd): Hansen, Gannon
...
1969-70 (20-5, 14-0 Big Ten/1st): Jensen

It would put things in historical perspective.
 
Could somebody (besides lazy me) compile a list of starters from Iowa? Like...
2009-10 (10-22, 4-14): Gatens (30), Cougill (7), May (21)
2008-09 (15-17, 5-13 Big Ten/10th): Gatens
2007-08 (13-19, 6-12 Big Ten/8th): none
2006-07 (17-14, 9-7 Big Ten/T4th): Haluska
2005-06 (25-9, 11-5 Big Ten/T2nd): Haluska, Horner, Brunner
2004-2005 (21-12, 7-9 Big Ten/7th): Haluska, Horner, Brunner
...
1984-85 (21-11, Big Ten 10-8/5th): Berkenpas
...
1982-83 (22-9, 10-8 Big Ten/T2nd): Hansen, Gannon
...
1969-70 (20-5, 14-0 Big Ten/1st): Jensen

It would put things in historical perspective.

and more...

Settles, Oliver, Bowen, Street, Millard, Worley, Davis, McCausland, Skinner, Helmers, Lookingbill, Lorenzen
 
and more...

Settles, Oliver, Bowen, Street, Millard, Worley, Davis, McCausland, Skinner, Helmers, Lookingbill, Lorenzen

Yeah, I didn't mean to present a complete list. I just showed a format that would give a long term perspective of Iowans as Hawkeye starters as a measure of what the long term pattern has been. I just popped in a few years from different eras.
 

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